The Midnight Ride of Johnny Spirit through Milwaukee

[Commander Bob]

@marc_54140 wrote:

OK, I’ll jump on my soap box!

1, 2, and 3 are currently not listed as ‘rules’. (They have been in the past, but not currently…) Therefore ……

But if they were, why pick on #3. What about 1 and 2? Hmmm! Can’t do that with a micro………….?!

After a cache has been muggled, destroyed, soaked, or removed….. where is that precious piece of paper to prove anyone has actually been to the cache?

Does it REALLY matter? I do not believe so. Cache on!

I don’t know what rulebook you’ve been reading, but it’s always been common knowledge (not to mention common sense) that the logbook is in place to record your name as proof of your find….PERIOD!! End of discussion! Not open to debate.

What about 1 and 2 you ask? Can’t do that with a micro?
1. Take something from the cache…Every cache I do I take away that same feeling I got with my very first find, that sense of accomplishment, the feeling of solving a secret hiding place, and the memory of where it took me, how I got there, and who was with me. I guess that’s why I keep on searching, to build upon those memories.
2. Leave something in the cache…technically leaving your name in the logbook would qualify. The rest of us with functioning brain cells would agree it’s “IF” you take something “THEN” you leave something.

Most cache owners are proud of their caches, and do regular maintenance on them. I include taking photos of my logbooks if I’m not replacing any that are full. Yes, I’ve lost my share of caches to muggles, critters, or mother nature, but by checking the logbooks periodically, I lessen the amount of info that has been lost. I know many cachers who treasure their cache journals, especially the more difficult or memorable ones. Those always have the best stories written in them.

Your second post was derailing this thread to somewhere…I’m not sure where…but I don’t care to go there.

I don’t know if that final post was directed at me personally, but I do take offense with it. If having a difference of opinion is the same old recycled discussion, whats the point in having a discussion? Perhaps your view of playing the game differs from mine, that doesn’t bother me. What does bother me is the misinformation that may be spread through ignorance.

To all new cachers reading this: Sign the logbook! It shows the cache owner that you found the cache. They, as cache owners, have the ability to delete a find for a reason. They are responsible for verifying each find, and owe it to every cacher who ever found it.

Kudos to Ray for catching the logging abuse in the first place!

[Ray]

Years ago, Trudy & I made 5 attempts at finding GC6950 “You Can’t be Serious” in Manitowoc. It amounted to an 80 mile drive each way and several hours of looking on each trip. Others have found it with considerably less effort. But, since there was such a high price getting that Smiley, we place a great value on it. If someone such as Johnny Spirit were to cut and paste an obviously bogus account on the web, we would be seriously offended to see it.

This is what happened at GCJ0N8 A Moving Experience. Now as the cache owner I am forced to make a decision, Let the log stand and be a Rube, or delete the log and be a Jerk. Actually, this is an easy choice for me, I have had to play the jerk an several occasions in the past. If I must do it again to protect the value of a find at this cache, I will. If Johnny Spirit wishes to claim a find here, he will need to give me greater detail than he did in his cut-and-paste log.

[jenhen1]

I agree 150% with Cachew and Commander Bob. C’mon, that’s how you prove you were there! I’ve been caching since 2004 and this is the first time I’ve EVER heard of a practice of NOT signing the logbook. Why wouldn’t you? I don’t care who you are, and what your reputation is, if you don’t sign the physical log, just be prepared to have your online logs deleted, unless expicitly stated in the online log that the cache had no writing utensil and you didn’t have one on you or something. Color me puzzled, I can’t believe this is an accepted practice. Sorry to be so passionate, it’s nothing personal but this concept is new to me. Do alot of people cache this way???

[marc_54140]

Well, the Commander is back ……………..

[Sean Connery]

😆 I too must agree with CB. Signing the log has always been a requirement. I have gone back to a cache because it was a micro and I hadn’t brought along a pen, in order to sign the log. I went back to a cache that had indeed been muggled after I found it and signed the log. A fellow cacher thought I had lied online log so I went back re found the cache and resigned the log.

Also, I think the rules(guidelines, etc.) are: 1. IF you take an item from the cache, 2. LEAVE an item of equal value. If the cache is a micro without items, than obviously common sense needs to rule. But every micro I have found, and I have found hundreds of them, has had a paper log to sign. I shouldn’t have to state this in adult education but…. SIGN THE LOG!

[Thraxman]

I agree that logs should be signed.

But, just for the fun of it…

Suppose last night I watched “ZARDOZ” staring Sean Connery, and didn’t particularly enjoy it. I stayed up late and wasted my time, so now I am a bit peeved at Sean Connery. Today, I find a cache, and flipping through the log, I see that Sean Connery found it a couple weeks ago. I am tired, grumpy, and still have it out for Sean Connery, so I tear the page out of the log, leaving no written record of Sean Connery’s visit.

Two weeks later, the cache owner audits the log. Mr. Connery’s visit is not in the logbook… What happens next?

[3 Hawks]

Not to mention that many cachers are simply disgusting examples of humanity and touching the cache or the log, after they had it in their hands, could lead to some nasty disease. 😯

I always sign the log or leave a piece of paper with my name and date on it. I’ve made long trips back to the car to grab a pen and I’ve resorted to other means to leave a “mark” in the log as a last resort.

This is just my opinion and this is just my practice, but I don’t think requiring a signature in the log book is sooooo out of line. If you choose not to leave a “mark” then don’t be surprised if your log gets deleted. The owner has every right to delete questionable logs.

You have already gone through the trouble of hiking to GZ and you’ve already found the cache. Why wouldn’t you sign the log?

Back to the original topic. I wondered about the questionable logs when they first posted. They just seemed odd and the detour to grab some Milwaukee caches seemed nuts. I think it even rained the day/night in question and that only added to the mystery.

[LightningBugs Mum]

There are some caches where the challenge isn’t spotting the container, but rather retrieving the logbook. Some of the evil monkey caches come to mind, also zuma’s got one in Eau Claire that is some kind of puzzle box. (GC106FP) In my mind, to earn a smiley, I have to leave proof of my visit inside the cache. Signing the logbook is the most obvious way of course. If it is a soggy mess, I will leave a fresh sheet of paper or maybe my signature item depending on the size of it.

If some chose to not sign the logbook when they visit a cache, that is their perogative. But the cache owner then has the right to delete that online log if they feel like it is the right thing to do. Personally, I don’t usually check the logs much. I’ve had the situation once where someone logged one of my caches online and I knew his signature wasn’t in the log book. I talked to him about it and let it stand because of the circumstances. But I felt I was within my rights to delete it if I had wanted to.

Here is a link to one time that the shoe was on the other foot.

But anyway, logs that are likely “virtual visits” like this spirit guy should definitely get deleted.

[TyeDyeSkyGuy]

@LightningBugs Mum wrote:

There are some caches where the challenge isn’t spotting the container, but rather retrieving the logbook.

Especially in this case.

I also have caches that require you to “find” the logbook. In fact, my whole Riddler series is this way. Every cache is a puzzle you must solve, if you want to even get to the log. Simply finding the container on any of these caches, is not good enough to claim the find. I’ve had to delete a few logs on this series of caches, and none of those cachers have ever complained. Sort of like admitting guilt I suppose.

[Greendale4X4]

@tyedyeskyguy wrote:

I also have caches that require you to “find” the logbook. In fact, my whole Riddler series is this way. Every cache is a puzzle you must solve, if you want to even get to the log. Simply finding the container on any of these caches, is not good enough to claim the find. I’ve had to delete a few logs on this series of caches, and none of those cachers have ever complained. Sort of like admitting guilt I suppose.

Don’t forget putting it back together (properly) too! I won’t mention any names here. I think that was the hardest part! 😳

[Team Deejay]

@Greendale4X4 wrote:

@tyedyeskyguy wrote:

I also have caches that require you to “find” the logbook. In fact, my whole Riddler series is this way. Every cache is a puzzle you must solve, if you want to even get to the log. Simply finding the container on any of these caches, is not good enough to claim the find. I’ve had to delete a few logs on this series of caches, and none of those cachers have ever complained. Sort of like admitting guilt I suppose.

Don’t forget putting it back together (properly) too! I won’t mention any names here. I think that was the hardest part! 😳

Which is why I carry a toolkit, including screwdrivers, cold chisels, and a cutting/welding torch whenever I cache in Kenosha. Without the welder, I could never get them back together!

[Greendale4X4]

@Team Deejay wrote:

Which is why I carry a toolkit, including screwdrivers, cold chisels, and a cutting/welding torch whenever I cache in Kenosha. Without the welder, I could never get them back together!

Heheh. I was referring to myself. I had to call Jay because I didn’t read the instructions and all of a sudden I had a 100-piece jigsaw puzzle on the ground. 😆 So, I had to call him up! But, that’s a different thread…

[Ray]

Today I did a quick maintenance check of Something Different and Something Different – Two. I found that neither cache log had any entry for Johnny Spirit. I deleted his entries for each of these on gc.com as well. Of the 5 logged caches owned by T&tb, he has shown no evidence of actually visiting any one of them.

Of the three previously deleted finds, Johnny was notified of the deletions 8/8 and he has not complained, whimpered, sighed or contested the action in any way. I take that as a defacto admission of guilt.

[3 Hawks]

@Trudy & the beast wrote:

Of the three previously deleted finds, Johnny was notified of the deletions 8/8 and he has not complained, whimpered, sighed or contested the action in any way. I take that as a defacto admission of guilt.

Guilt is such an ugly word. Lets just say his lack of response as a defacto admission of being a jerk.

[Ray]

Take a look here GCVJCF Johnny has logged his find [11/20/06] 35 days after the cachemeister has disabled the cache because it was MIA/

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