Why I voted "NO" to logging temps

[Team Deejay]

@Professor wrote:

Hey, Professor here!
I attended the CITO event in Waukesha recently…and what Earth Angel has been suggesting all along worked like a charm. I logged the “I attended” once, stating I attended the CITO event. Thus I did not log multiple “Attended logs.”
Then I logged my temp finds under “found it.” I did log multiple “found it” logs (one per temp cache found). Why can’t this be the protocol for ALL Wisconsin Events? Since it appears that “others” are upset with us for logging multiple “attended logs” for our temp finds?

Lastly, Ecorangers stand behind what BQueen stated in her previous post.

Ummm, this only works for CITO events. Apparently Groundspeak allows found its for CITOs but not for events. Of course, we could set up all the picnics, campouts, and other events as CITOs….

[Doc.]

Bush Wacking Queen ever so eloquently stated my point of view. It’s a long hard haul to get to these events. At the price of gas today, I will make the haul to get the numbers. I can visit on line at any time. If I can’t get the numbers for the time and effort expenditure, then I will haul my gps elsewhere.

[Mister Greenthumb]

I’m on the same bandwagon with BWQ, Wade, Tami and DOC. Look at the effort that’s going to made hiding caches for the campout in a great park setting. These caches will be no different than going to some other park on your own and finding some. I had already decided to attend the campout before all of the logging controversy started so I’ll give it a try for at least one WGA event. We’ve been to 9 events in the last year and got to log finds either as temps or permanent finds. I don’t really care which kind they are, but besides the social part of the events which we do enjoy I need more than one log to be there. I can find lots of other interesting places and communities to go to to get my logs and never run out so why would I go for one log?

[Cheesehead Dave]

@Bushwhacking Queen wrote:

I want to log all the temps I find, it means something to me.

This is why I wish Groundspeak would code something into the site to account for temp caches to make them logable.

GC.com already gives you the ability to add additional waypoints to cache listings. (e.g. Parking location, trailhead, etc.) I wish they would add a “temporary cache” type that you could add to an event cache to list all the temps, and then give you a way to log them in some fashion, and still give you a total for the number of temps that you found on your profile page

[Lostby7]

@Cheesehead Dave wrote:

@Bushwhacking Queen wrote:

I want to log all the temps I find, it means something to me.

This is why I wish Groundspeak would code something into the site to account for temp caches to make them logable.

GC.com already gives you the ability to add additional waypoints to cache listings. (e.g. Parking location, trailhead, etc.) I wish they would add a “temporary cache” type that you could add to an event cache to list all the temps, and then give you a way to log them in some fashion, and still give you a total for the number of temps that you found on your profile page

We have been begging for this for years….

[TyeDyeSkyGuy]

@Cheesehead Dave wrote:

@Bushwhacking Queen wrote:

I want to log all the temps I find, it means something to me.

This is why I wish Groundspeak would code something into the site to account for temp caches to make them logable.

GC.com already gives you the ability to add additional waypoints to cache listings. (e.g. Parking location, trailhead, etc.) I wish they would add a “temporary cache” type that you could add to an event cache to list all the temps, and then give you a way to log them in some fashion, and still give you a total for the number of temps that you found on your profile page

That would solve the problem permanently. Couldn’t the board put together a proposal and present it’s case directly to Groundspeak?

[Doc.]

Why doesn’t someone host a CITO event in the park at the same time the WGA event is going on? Coords at the campground or nearest dumpster.

There, problemo solved. ( By a blonde!)

[Lostby7]

@tyedyeskyguy wrote:

@Cheesehead Dave wrote:

@Bushwhacking Queen wrote:

I want to log all the temps I find, it means something to me.

This is why I wish Groundspeak would code something into the site to account for temp caches to make them logable.

GC.com already gives you the ability to add additional waypoints to cache listings. (e.g. Parking location, trailhead, etc.) I wish they would add a “temporary cache” type that you could add to an event cache to list all the temps, and then give you a way to log them in some fashion, and still give you a total for the number of temps that you found on your profile page

That would solve the problem permanently. Couldn’t the board put together a proposal and present it’s case directly to Groundspeak?

…well that depends on how the extra smiles are logged. I’d still not have them count towards the main find count but rather as a number of event finds (like benchmarks are logged).

[LightningBugs Mum]

@Lostby7 wrote:

@tyedyeskyguy wrote:

@Cheesehead Dave wrote:

@Bushwhacking Queen wrote:

I want to log all the temps I find, it means something to me.

This is why I wish Groundspeak would code something into the site to account for temp caches to make them logable.

GC.com already gives you the ability to add additional waypoints to cache listings. (e.g. Parking location, trailhead, etc.) I wish they would add a “temporary cache” type that you could add to an event cache to list all the temps, and then give you a way to log them in some fashion, and still give you a total for the number of temps that you found on your profile page

That would solve the problem permanently. Couldn’t the board put together a proposal and present it’s case directly to Groundspeak?

…well that depends on how the extra smiles are logged. I’d still not have them count towards the main find count but rather as a number of event finds (like benchmarks are logged).

I have done exactly this, although not as an official board member since I wasn’t one at the time. The suggestion was completely ignored. Now, would something coming from the WGA board carry more weight? I doubt it. It has seemed that Groundspeak’s attitude on this subject has always been along the lines of: if we ignore the problem, it will eventually go away.

I’ve always thought that treating temp caches like benchmarks, where they show up in the profile – but not the find count, would be an elegant compromise.

[Lostby7]

@LightningBugs Mum wrote:

@Lostby7 wrote:

@tyedyeskyguy wrote:

@Cheesehead Dave wrote:

@Bushwhacking Queen wrote:

I want to log all the temps I find, it means something to me.

This is why I wish Groundspeak would code something into the site to account for temp caches to make them logable.

GC.com already gives you the ability to add additional waypoints to cache listings. (e.g. Parking location, trailhead, etc.) I wish they would add a “temporary cache” type that you could add to an event cache to list all the temps, and then give you a way to log them in some fashion, and still give you a total for the number of temps that you found on your profile page

That would solve the problem permanently. Couldn’t the board put together a proposal and present it’s case directly to Groundspeak?

…well that depends on how the extra smiles are logged. I’d still not have them count towards the main find count but rather as a number of event finds (like benchmarks are logged).

I have done exactly this, although not as an official board member since I wasn’t one at the time. The suggestion was completely ignored. Now, would something coming from the WGA board carry more weight? I doubt it. It has seemed that Groundspeak’s attitude on this subject has always been along the lines of: if we ignore the problem, it will eventually go away.

I’ve always thought that treating temp caches like benchmarks, where they show up in the profile – but not the find count, would be an elegant compromise.

I too have done this a couple of times in the past few years to much ridicule on the boards on GC (which is why I rarely ever go there any more). Oh well.

[Team Black-Cat]

I have avoided posting my thoughts on this because, for the most part, how others log their finds is of no concern of mine. Log ’em if you want to. Log chaches you haven’t looked for. Don’t care.
The point I take issue with is (paraphrased) “If I can’t log a bunch of caches, I don’t want to go to an event”. I am of the opinion that events are primarily social. If the social component of events isn’t enough to compel you to attend, then don’t. If you attend events only to log numbers, then I think you miss the whole purpose of events.
Everyone knows that INATN is BS, but the numbers aren’t the be all and end all of caching.

[K0rpl]

I am in the Mindset, that I don’t care how people log. If you want to Log temps, Go ahead, If you don’t don’t. It’s that simple. Everyone has to play the game the way that the want to. There is no right or no wrong way. Even though Criminal will not agree with me. The game has to have changes, or it will go the way of the Dinosaur. If there are not subtle changes, additional Categories added, and some subtracted, the game will get to a point where it will cease to stop growing and go backwards!

This happens in many organizations. Not just the WGA, or Geocaching.com

I am involved in several clubs that have taken a huge hit in membership on the roster, and in participation. I have been a Amateur radio operator since 1994. there were alot more operators back then then there is now, and there has been Four changes to bring new people into the hobby since. Each time they make a change to make it easier for people to get their license, a bunch do right away, and then it fizzles down to nothing. Same thing when it comes to any public service events that the radio club participates in. Everyone wants to do the public service events, but 4 people show up!

The point in this rambling is that change is inevitable. The only constant is change. Two years from now, they could not allow Events in General. And they could add Mars caching to the categories… One can never know.

I am in agreement, in that Groundspeak should crap or get off the pot, and make a decision. Then that would be the end all. Until that happens, you will have people skirting around rules Loose as they are on both sides of the fence.

Justin

[Ray]

@K0rpl wrote:

I am in the Mindset, that I don’t care how people log. If you want to Log temps, Go ahead, If you don’t don’t. It’s that simple. Everyone has to play the game the way that the want to. There is no right or no wrong way.

I agree whole heartedly. Nobody cares how many caches T&tb have found other than T&tb. And, we really can’t say that anyone else’s cache count makes any difference to us either. Geocaching, like any other leisure activity is pursued for the experience, for the journey, for the moment. I don’t see how posting a smiley adds to the enjoyment. Nor do I see how some one else posting a smiley will diminish my fun.

@K0rpl wrote:

I am in agreement, in that Groundspeak should crap or get off the pot, and make a decision. Then that would be the end all. Until that happens, you will have people skirting around rules Loose as they are on both sides of the fence.

Why contradict yourself Justin? Groundspeak has taken a position, leave it in hands of the cache owners. The folks in the big ivory tower have decided that they will not remove that freedom. I can live with that. JMHO ~tb

[gotta run]

@Trudy & the beast wrote:

Groundspeak has taken a position, leave it in hands of the cache owners.

Yeah, but the problem is…not really. CITO events log different than “regular” events; i.e., you can only log multiple “finds” of temp caches at a CITO event, whereas you have to log multiple “attended” at a regular caching event. Unless I am wrong on this.

So then the ridicule that out-of-staters levy (not that I care) is, “Holy cow, did you see XYZ “attended” 100 events!”

So I think KOrpl’s point, and he can correct me on this, is that groundspeak should treat these the same; that’s the “decision.” Since they’ve decided not to, people who like to see their find counts go up for each cache they find (like we do), temp or otherwise, have to go through that end-around.

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[K0rpl]

Gotta Run:

Yes, that was the point I was trying to get across. Sorry if my wording wasn’t quite right. I do beleive that CITO’s and Events should be the same. leave it up to the Cache owner.

Justin

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