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Oddly enough, I met some new cachers while opening a container at a multi cache in the southern Kettle Moraine. My comment to them was that I was here a few years ago on another cache. There are few areas that have not had one hidden.
With the price of gas, I look for new caches popping up in the area so I’m retiring my older ones as they get vandalized and such. This gives the new crowd places to use some creativity. So, get out of the city and come to Waukesha and Washington counties. Lots of places to hide.
Finally, I recall that originally there was not such a thing as a multi cache. There was the term offset cache which was only two waypoints. Maybe going back to that limit should be considered, or more approvers. One for certain regions.
Steve Bukosky
Waukesha[This message has been edited by sbukosky (edited 04-10-2005).]
I just have few thought that came up in an email correspondence…
Brian’s thoughts in the forums really made me think of things more from his perspective. Which of course has me rethinking this year’s new hides. I like the idea of going back to the simple caches with a view. I also was remembering back to when I first began, that I thought I would intentionally shy away from caches that were in a series, knowing that I’d never finish the series anyway and they seemed kind of “reserved” for that purpose. As a cache owner, I’m finding that out now too. Rarely will a newbie seek out one of my Sub series caches that are nearby (blocks away), but instead will travel miles to do my others. I like the idea of a series as you can give your cache pages a theme to educate folks. But to the occasional hunter, it makes them more of an “insider” type cache. Thanks for bringing this up.One of the first things I did when I was contmeplating my series last year was to email the approvers and ask for advice. There is plenty of experience there and I’m glad I sought it. One of the ideas was that not everyone likes a bunch of micros for a series. Which really made me rethink my hides. I made the effort to make the entire 29 cache series different from beginning to end. There are a bunch of different hide types from short multi’s to micro’s to special containers to ammo boxes in the woods. This is the key to making a series of caches palattable to all cachers. Would each of these caches be worthy of a cache page on their own if they weren’t connected by the theme of the series. If the answer is yes, then great, you are on the road to a successful series.
As far as I’m concerned, It will be awhile before I go and do another series… Its just too dang much work. I’m going back to onesie, twosies. And I can’t wait to get a few new ones out there!
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Co-conspirator to make the world a better place…[This message has been edited by arcangl7 (edited 04-11-2005).]
arcangl7, that was all very well put!
I too have thought about what I’ve placed, not that I wish I had not hid any one them; but I will think things through more in the future.However, I’m really learning from my every growing batch of people that were friends first, then caches second, that there really are different strokes for different folks. A couple are wanting me to plant something new that is involved and multiple; while another is screaming for a series of right under the muggles noses micros. So I guess the good new is, theres always someone out there that will look for whatever you hide. Maybe WGA could work on some kind of future online survey, asking what people like and dislike … not for the result of telling us all what to do, but to tell us what will attract the most cachers … which is what I want, the more that find it, the better, not matter what that is!
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I think its fine to do ones and twos, multi’s and series. If I am travelling with the family I will do all the singles possible, and some multi’s, regardless if they are in a series or not. I just happened to get interested (obsessed is my wife’s term) with the sub series, mainly because it was so close to home. With the gas prices (yes I am frugal) I don’t care what kind they are; if they are close I try to do them. I like puzzle caches sometimes also. I try to figure them out at home and just have to wait to get to that area, in order to do them (have the coord for enigma).
“A bad day of hunting is better than a good day at work”quote:
Originally posted by Really I’m Not Lost:
.. I like puzzle caches sometimes also. I try to figure them out at home and just have to wait to get to that area …Puzzles! You should give my latest a try from home … (GCNC6J) http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=45e64bd3-50a4-4fdb-ae0e-5feb 453a6e11
(It’s not been solved yet, but one person has verified to me that they have the first half of the “decoding” right.)
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seekers8711 here. I believe this is my first post to the WI-Geo page since joining in 2004.
Regarding the topic of cache difficulties, multi caches and the like: I guess I have the opportunity and right to add my $.02 to the discussion.
Here is the opinion of a 1.5 year member team, for what it is worth.
1. My wife, Pretty One, and I especially enjoy the tough, difficult caches, ie, University Bay, Triangles & Tribulations, OneFish-TwoFish-RedFish-BlueFish, Goosey XXIII(?), Mr. Elvers cache, (haven’t tried yet), Blue Mounds O, (also haven’t tried yet)and many more similar caches over the simple, one shot, easy find stashes. We both enjoy the hard work necessary to locate a hide, solve a puzzle, or do what ever is necessary to solve the “find”.
Easy finds are good too, because this is a family activity. The sport needs both. My point being that each member should be “encouraged” (within the boundaries of good common sense)to do what “they” wish to do. People who don’t like multi’s, difficult or puzzle caches should do only the easy ones.
We have three caches out there. We feel all are well thought out, 2 out of 3 are difficult and the easy one takes some effort and good maps to solve. We compliment all who have solved our caches.
Too long, I know, but I just couldn’t quit.
Bob, 1/2 of seekers8711
Just thought I’d stand up a little for the micros. My favorite. No “stuff” just sign the log. I did one last night that on its face was nothing but a hide next to a bridge on an itty bitty river in the middle of nowhere. I was the first finder in a year. A real CITO opportunity. But you know what? It was special to me because of memories of putting in here to paddle. So if you’re going to put one in a parking lot buck up and tell us why it’s special.
Whenever the topic of difficult vs. easy geocaches comes up, I try to point out that we’re not all talking the same definitions. My favorites are the “difficult” geocaches that involve a long hike, a climb, a boat trip, etc. We like the physically difficult geocaches, not the mental puzzlers. For examples, our The Shocking Truth About Henry, or Devil’s Lake Revisited, or River Cache. Great hikes that give you a workout. That, to us, is what a great geocache should be.
Just wanted to let you know that I will soon have out a series of 12 that are light hearted and easier finds. Great series to get the kids out for. They will be easy due to the nature of the areas and the purpose for putting them in these areas, though stealth is a must. Hope this helps to counter some of the tricky ones and gives kids and adults some nice easy finds….the scenery is nice too. Watch for “The Old Fishin’ Hole” series… coming to a County near you. NOw don’t be tellin me they’re TOO easy!!! LOL
“The Gauntlet” Been there… done that….will do it again ![This message has been edited by Cache_boppin_BunnyFuFu (edited 05-10-2005).]
As a good bunch of you already know, I’m new at this, and love this sport. Part of the fun is the variety of cache types. I like the quick easy ones when there’s no time for a long one, and long ones when there’s time. I was totally shocked when I found an urban non-visible magnetic micro too small for a pencil. It was a challenge to find, and another to avoid mugglers, and gave me a great sense of satisfaction. The view wasn’t great, the terrain easy, but finding it was a lot of fun.
One concern about single stage finds is nature is sometimes trampled to death. If it was a multi (maybe micro also in some cases) it might receive a more appropriate amount of traffic.
I try to keep a balance in my cache finds. It’s always been my goal to have 25% as many Multi-Stage cache finds as single stage finds. I do that because I like the challenge and the feeling of accomplishment that comes with completing the more challenging caches. It’s actually very easy when you want to go seek a cache, to look and see if you’re interested in it or not. If doesn’t fit your tastes, then ignore it and move to the next one. There is such variety out there, especially in Wisconsin, that you can find just about any kind of challenge you like. If you cache outside this state, you’ll soon discover how good the caching is in this state. I would never discourage any cacher from placing whatever kind of cache he/she would like to place, where ever they may want to place it. Doing so, may just eliminate the placement of another one of the GREAT ones. I would say keep up the good work WI-Geocachers, you really are the BEST.
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Originally posted by Opossum:
One concern about single stage finds is nature is sometimes trampled to death. B]A valid concern, but nature rebounds very well once the traffic has ended. This might be reason to put a one year limit on the life of a cache. Otherwise, the biggest problem with cacher paths are decreasing the difficulty of the find.
Steve Bukosky
WaukeshaNow that I have read some of the arguments and opinions I can see some good reasons for using a multi only where and when necessary. Recently I came upon a great big open area on which three or four caches could easily be planted but it is taken up by a single cache with over a dozen wps. Don’t get me wrong I love the cache and wouldn’t change it as I think there is a legitimate place for something as grandiose as this needed to break up the monotony of the average cache. But when someone uses a multi they really limit the space others could use for other hides in the same area. I guess if you have some features you really want to show in an area place a multi, but if you are just placing it to place it think about whether this multi adds to the hunt or the viewing of the area. If not consider just placing it as a single stage hide. But this is of course only my opinion. Lets face it though with all the new cachers and limited park space, I think we need to start thinking a bit more carefully prior to placing a cache.
After a lot of thought, planning, reading a ton of geocaching forum posts, revisions, input from the WI Geocaching approval folks, and more revisions, I just placed 3 mystery caches instead of a multi-stage cache. I think it will be more fun and offer better over-all variety and challenge. Thanks goes to everyone taking time to write down their thoughts instead of quietly lurking.
It helps to have single caches if you have limited mobility or time constraints to go after a single cache and get the challenge over with than drag it out with a series of caches leading to a bonus cache.
The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.
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