Wisconsin gets toasted again

[I M WU]

I attended my first event last October, right after starting geocaching. I only made it to the parks that you had to drive too, there were multiple caches located throughout the park. I logged each park with multiple caches, as one attended. I never had time to do the ones in the park the event was held in. I would have still logged those as one find as attended. This is reflecting like they are a bunch of kids playing in kindergarten, you lied, you cheated, you had more fun than me. I feel I’m doing nothing wrong by how I logged my finds. I guess we need to be supplied rules at an event on how we can and can’t log finds, if those rules exist somewhere. I liked the driving the nice car comment too, I think that says it all! 😉

[Averith]

@greyhounder wrote:

Some of those people on the gc forums are good at the guilt, aren’t they? They also really need to get away from the computer and find some geocaches.

Bec

I was wondering how they could ever find geocaches with all the time it must take to be writing in the forums like that.

[Thraxman]

This debate is, oh, SO old (I swear it started a day after the first WGA camp-out).

I think it is ironic that logging an event, which really isn’t a cache, is ok and accommodated on GC, is acceptable, but logging the caches associated with the event (which are true caches) is not.

I’ve never been a numbers person, and for the last event I attended (in 2003 I think) I stopped logging temps. Part of me says “who cares”, and part of me says “darn it, those temps were higher quality than 75% of the permanent caches listed”. And even if the numbers don’t mean much to me, it IS fun to watch them rise 🙂

I remember after certain early events, a select few temp caches were made permanent caches. I this still done? If not, perhaps it should. I am thinking back to some great caches at events like the camp-out at Governor Dodge State Park. Almost any hide there was enough to put your average listed cache to shame. And I think 4 became permanent caches. This type of practice would allow the happy medium where everyone could log one attend for the event, and log a few standard finds without “guilt” and without ruffling the feathers of some disgruntled forum-junkie that has never attended a WGA event 😈

Personally, I like reading the posts of those chronic complainers, imagining some guy staring at his monitor, scanning WI event logs, turning red, getting all jittery, his blood-pressure increasing to dreadful levels… all because he can’t understand the concept of MYOB… heheheheh

[benny7210]

I can see both sides of this issue. So I guess I am sitting on the fence on this one. I do have a question for One Paddle Short. At your mega event you said that their would be a “Beverage Cart” going around. My concern is will it carry any “Busch Lite” If the answer is yes, then put me down,as I an planning on attending…….. O.K. so much for the jokes. JUST KIDDING….ROTFLMAO…. 😆

[One Paddle Short]

I can see both sides of this issue. So I guess I am sitting on the fence on this one. I do have a question for One Paddle Short. At your mega event you said that their would be a “Beverage Cart” going around. My concern is will it carry any “Busch Lite” If the answer is yes, then put me down,as I an planning on attending……..

😀 You do have to admit that the image of a bunch of geocachers driving around in golf carts with a beer in one hand, a rubber stamp on a pole in the other, and GPSr on their lap is a at least a little amusing.

At least I think it’s funny… 🙄

You’re the first one on the list. I’ll save ya a nice cart!

[greyhounder]

@One Paddle Short wrote:

😀 You do have to admit that the image of a bunch of geocachers driving around in golf carts with a beer in one hand, a rubber stamp on a pole in the other, and GPSr on their lap is a at least a little amusing.

Perhaps we can test this out at our upcoming campout. If it involves beer, I am willing to be a test subject…

Bec

[Team Hemisphere Dancer]

@One Paddle Short wrote:

I can see both sides of this issue. So I guess I am sitting on the fence on this one. I do have a question for One Paddle Short. At your mega event you said that their would be a “Beverage Cart” going around. My concern is will it carry any “Busch Lite” If the answer is yes, then put me down,as I an planning on attending……..

😀 You do have to admit that the image of a bunch of geocachers driving around in golf carts with a beer in one hand, a rubber stamp on a pole in the other, and GPSr on their lap is a at least a little amusing.

At least I think it’s funny… 🙄

You’re the first one on the list. I’ll save ya a nice cart!

Can I log the six packs too? Cause I can really run up the numbers.

[One Paddle Short]

Perhaps we can test this out at our upcoming campout. If it involves beer, I am willing to be a test subject…

Can I log the six packs too? Cause I can really run up the numbers.

As long as you have a designated cacher along- I’d hate to see anyone end up getting a GWI…

😯

[Averith]

@One Paddle Short wrote:

Perhaps we can test this out at our upcoming campout. If it involves beer, I am willing to be a test subject…

Can I log the six packs too? Cause I can really run up the numbers.

As long as you have a designated cacher along- I’d hate to see anyone end up getting a GWI…

😯

hmmm I wonder if some of the people on the national forums could get FWI? (Foruming While Intoxicated)

😀 😀 😀

[Bushwhacking Queen]

My opinion is that it really doesn’t matter how it is done someone will most certainly think its unfair. We can’t please all the people all the time so we just need to do what we feel is right for us, the way we want to keep track of our finds.

Amazingly, none of the people complaining have ever been to Fu’s events where we REALLY have to work for them. Every one of her hides could be considered permanent, however, because of where they are hidden they can only be temps.

Anyway, people will always complain about something because that is the way our society happens to be. My numbers mean something to me and I surely don’t expect them to mean something to someone else. If they do, great. If someone wants to provide me kudos for my numbers, fantastic. However, those that feel anything about my numbers (good, bad, or indifferent) should realize that this is a hobby and though there are basic rules to play, we all play it slightly differently.

Furthermore, though I may be beaten up for this statement, its just like ethics. Ethics are opinions of what is considered acceptable and unacceptable to each individual/society/group. Just because I feel something is acceptable, someone else may feel it is unacceptable.

I think of what a wise professor of mine once said to my class and I: Agree to disagree!

[Cheesehead Dave]

Still wearing my Devil’s Advocate Hat, let me stir the pot a little more…

If a temp cache does not meet the Geocaching.com listing guidelines, is it really a cache?

There are other listing sites out there (Navicache, Terracaching, etc.) where geocaches can be listed, and many of them would be acceptable under GC.com’s guidelines, but the owners decided to list them on the alternate sites instead. If a person found one of those, would it be okay to log them on GC.com, perhaps by logging a find on an archived cache or one of your own caches?

In the 20,000 temp cache event example above, everyone pretty much agrees that the idea is silly, but what’s the line? How many loggable temp caches must there be before it becomes unacceptable? A dozen? Fifty? One hundred?

Does cache quality make a difference? Is it okay to log caches at an event where they are all “quality” caches that take some effort to find vs. “Find the film container hidden behind the napkin dispenser and you can log it as a find!”

Again, I’m not being judgmental against anyone here. I’ve both hosted events with temp caches and have attended events with both the “quality” kinds and the “napkin dispenser” kinds. I’m just tired of seeing Wisconsin being bashed by others in both the forums and by people I cache with (along with other “questionable” logging practices that I get teased about as well, as in “Let’s log this cache Wisconsin-style!”)

[I M WU]

Cheesehead Dave, I would answer your response with, I view geocaching as an adventurous searching game, and games usually come with a rule book. I don’t read it as geocaching.com is saying a temp cache is not a cache, they are just saying it won’t be listed as a separate cache on their website. I think the current rule for logging an event cache is there is no rule. It is up to you how you want to log the event caches. I would hope the new board would address this issue, or at least at events there should be rules given out in writing, not the verbal rules, where fingers can be pointed, well she or he told me to do it this way. I seriously didn’t know how to log event caches, I was watching them all being logged separately, but I didn’t feel that was right, so I just logged them the way I did, and I feel ok with how I logged them, not knowing if it was the right or wrong way to log them. PS I still owe you a liquid refreshment, maybe at the 20,000 cache event bonanza. 😉

[Lostby7]

@I M W/U wrote:

I would hope the new board would address this issue, or at least at events there should be rules given out in writing, not the verbal rules, where fingers can be pointed, well she or he told me to do it this way. I seriously didn’t know how to log event caches, I was watching them all being logged separately, but I didn’t feel that was right, so I just logged them the way I did, and I feel ok with how I logged them, not knowing if it was the right or wrong way to log them.

The method of logging temps (allowed or not) at an event is typically listed on the cache page. The Past WGA events have allowed temps to be logged though that information has not appeared on the cache page it has been hashed out here on the boards where opinions (and I believe votes?) were taken. It may be looked at again in the future but currently it is allowed at official WGA events.

[One Paddle Short]

PS I still owe you a liquid refreshment, maybe at the 20,000 cache event bonanza.

Temporary Insanity 2007 is planning on 12,000 event temp caches. Sheesh- 20,000 would just be crazy.

But I guess it might be possible…

🙄

[tango90]

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