Wisconsin gets toasted again

[GeoPink]

Past WGA events have allowed temps to be logged though that information has not appeared on the cache page it has been hashed out here on the boards where opinions (and I believe votes?) were taken. It may be looked at again in the future but currently it is allowed at official WGA events.

The board had taken up this discussion a while back and came up with our current official policy of the WGA regarding logging caches at WGA sponsored events.

Here is the official WGA Policy as adopted by the board:

• The WGA encourages each geocacher present for the official event photo (traditionally at 5pm) to log a “find” for the Event itself by logging “has attended” on the event webpage.
• The WGA shall neither require nor forbid anyone from logging temporary caches at any of our official events.
• The WGA will allow geocachers to log a “find” for any cache that geocachers have actually found. Admittedly, we are not able to police those logging caches or verify that geocachers have actually found the caches. We are using the honor system here and will assume that our fine members will not abuse it.
• All geocaches hidden at our events will follow the guidlines as set forth at http://www.geocaching.com for cache placement. However, exceptions will be made for the proximity and the obvious temporary nature of the event hides.

[Barry Butrymowicz]

Why not bring this to a vote of the WGA Membership???

There should be a way that we can put a Pole Question on the Main page or a link to it like the COTM and just bring this to a vote.

Then we can put this forum topic to rest and then what the majority vote of the pole is that is how WGA should base their “official response”

All WGA sponsored events can then follow the majority vote.

Other events in Wisconsin should then also follow the recomendation of the WGA and follow inline along with the vote, even though it is up to the event planners to run it how they wish.

We have attended a couple of events in Wisconsin that had temp caches, we have done some of the caches at each event, but still only logged once and in the log said how many temporary caches we found.

We have also attended events in Michigan where the practice is to not log temporary caches, there was still a incentive to find the caches (prizes for most found, all found the fastest. etc)

I guess for us the events are more fun just enjoying the day talking with others, sharing coin collections, and the like.

So how about the pole idea????

We would have to make sure each member only votes once, (no sock puppet accounts etc.)

Would this idea work?????

Sweetlife

[Lostby7]

Not positive, but I believe a vote/poll was done, but even so it is and should be up to each event holder to allow logging as they see fit. There is no reason they should be bound or pressured by what the WGA does.

[ecorangers]

As I wrote in my early post, other states log temp. caches just like we do.
My suggestion was for geocaching.com to allow those states that log temp. caches to use the same cache page format/choices as CITO events.

If you look at The Tapps/AuntieNae’s CITO Waukesha 2007 event:
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?ID=525461
and you click on “log your visit,” you can log “attended” which increases your event total find/s and/or if you click on “found it,” (to log the temp. caches) you increase your cache total finds. Thus the number of events attended would be just for that (the number of events you have attended), and the temp. cache finds would each be counted as a cache find.

Does this make sense to anyone?
Anyone willing to approach geocaching.com with this suggestion/solution?

Awhile back (far from the west coast I believe), someone e-mailed me a quote from Jeremy Irish and the last thing Jeremy was quoted as saying was something like, he (Jeremy)is not losing any sleep over the way Wisconsin logs their temp. caches for events. The last thing that I e-mailed to that person was that I wasn’t losing any sleep either the way we log temp. caches 💡 Tami

[LightningBugs Mum]

@ecorangers wrote:

As I wrote in my early post, other states log temp. caches just like we do.
My suggestion was for geocaching.com to allow those states that log temp. caches to use the same cache page format/choices as CITO events.

If you look at The Tapps/AuntieNae’s CITO Waukesha 2007 event:
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?ID=525461
and you click on “log your visit,” you can log “attended” which increases your event total find/s and/or if you click on “found it,” (to log the temp. caches) you increase your cache total finds. Thus the number of events attended would be just for that (the number of events you have attended), and the temp. cache finds would each be counted as a cache find.

Does this make sense to anyone?
Anyone willing to approach geocaching.com with this suggestion/solution?

Awhile back (far from the west coast I believe), someone e-mailed me a quote from Jeremy Irish and the last thing Jeremy was quoted as saying was something like, he (Jeremy)is not losing any sleep over the way Wisconsin logs their temp. caches for events. The last thing that I e-mailed to that person was that I wasn’t losing any sleep either the way we log temp. caches 💡 Tami

Similar things have been suggested in earlier temp logging threads on groundspeak. I remember something like that from last year. But TPTB just don’t seem to care.

In my fantasies, there would be an optional page that a cache owner could set up. On it would be listed all the temp caches. People who go to the event then could just open that page, check off the temps found, and log them all at once. Then those numbers would show up on a seperate line in the profile and people could choose whether to count them in the find count or not. Hey, I can dream right?

[bnb]

@sweetlife wrote:

Why not bring this to a vote of the WGA Membership???

As Geopink mentioned, this was discussed by the BOD after soliciting comments from the membership in this forum. No poll was taken, but the the comments of the membership were taken into account and, I believe, the majority opinion of the membership was followed.

The WGA has authority on multiple logging only at WGA sponsored events. Each event owner can choose how to run their own event.

Ruth

[The Tapps]

I just can’t stop my self from responding!! #1 Why do we need to whine on old threads??? #2 We live in the GREATEST COUNTRY in the WORLD and have the RIGHT!! #3 Why do we pace temp caches ? Answer to #3 is so you don’t get board as we did ? Event had no NEW finds and traveled for loss of $$ for nothing!! Events need to offer more than a couple min of catching up!!! I can do that on the phone!! The temp caches need coords to find as a real LIVE cache. All were at the last event!! CC,VC etc. Those who don’t believe we have left over hand outs!! I put many hours in checking coords inthe cold!! TEMP!!!!! CACHES DO COUNT!! I SHOULD START A NEW THREAD ,I HOLD A EVENT WITH NO WORK!!!!!!!!
A EVENT with no work!!!! LOOK AT EVENTS AND SEEE!!!! I post and event is there with food??? I asked a restraunt and I have a event!!!
The Tapps

[PCFrog]

@GeoPink wrote:

Here is the official WGA Policy as adopted by the board:

• The WGA encourages each geocacher present for the official event photo (traditionally at 5pm) to log a “find” for the Event itself by logging “has attended” on the event webpage……

Just asking for clearification.

During the WGA Geo-Campout 2006 at Peninsula State Park My family and I arrived Friday around 1130am and camped that night. That was a cold wet night. Anyhow, we ended up leaving by 2pm Saturday. Does this mean I should not have logged an “Attended”?

[czernicachers]

My 2 cents that I wanted to put in the pot…
I guess each person has there own track of how to log. I am one, that no matter how many temps are at an event I only log the event once. I figure Temp caches are just that Temporary (the do not have their own page). It is like marking a multi-cache of 4 as 4 finds, which we know is not the case.

I know my numbers would be sky-rocketing by now if I logged temp caches but I figure it is more fair to me to do it this way.

To each his/her own.

Have fun with caching and respect the environment.

[Professor]

FYI. There are some multi-caches out there where the owner lets you log each waypoint as a separate cache find. Not to mention some caches that have a bonus find where you re-log on the same cache page the bonus.

We just need to be respectful of everyone’s decisions.

[LightningBugs Mum]

@PCFrog wrote:

@GeoPink wrote:

Here is the official WGA Policy as adopted by the board:

• The WGA encourages each geocacher present for the official event photo (traditionally at 5pm) to log a “find” for the Event itself by logging “has attended” on the event webpage……

Just asking for clearification.

During the WGA Geo-Campout 2006 at Peninsula State Park My family and I arrived Friday around 1130am and camped that night. That was a cold wet night. Anyhow, we ended up leaving by 2pm Saturday. Does this mean I should not have logged an “Attended”?

If you checked in and signed the release, then I’m sure you can log an attended. Perhaps that was not always the case in the early days? Being at the meeting and picture is highly recommended but I don’t think it is absolutely mandatory.

[GeoPink]

@LightningBugs Mum wrote:

@PCFrog wrote:

@GeoPink wrote:

Here is the official WGA Policy as adopted by the board:

• The WGA encourages each geocacher present for the official event photo (traditionally at 5pm) to log a “find” for the Event itself by logging “has attended” on the event webpage……

Just asking for clearification.

During the WGA Geo-Campout 2006 at Peninsula State Park My family and I arrived Friday around 1130am and camped that night. That was a cold wet night. Anyhow, we ended up leaving by 2pm Saturday. Does this mean I should not have logged an “Attended”?

If you checked in and signed the release, then I’m sure you can log an attended. Perhaps that was not always the case in the early days? Being at the meeting and picture is highly recommended but I don’t think it is absolutely mandatory.

Jennifer is correct.

There was a question on this point in our board discussions… I believe the reason they originally had this particular requirement was so that everyone was back in time for some sort of raffle. 😕 We left that wording in knowing full well we were not about to double check logs vs. picture but to encourage everyone to be there for the picture and the meeting that often follows. We love to be able to have a true representation of all the great folks who attend our WGA events.

[AuntieNae]

[Miata]

[Toecutter]

You can please some of the people all of the time and you can please all of the people some of the time….

BUT….

You can’t please ALL of the people ALL of time. Totally impossible.

Let them cry over spilled milk…. 😀

Later
Phil

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