Wisconsin gets toasted again

[Cheesehead Dave]

Hmm…

[Lostby7]

what else is new….. 🙄

[Cheesehead Dave]

@Lostby7 wrote:

what else is new….. 🙄

What’s new is even Jeremy, who in the past has chosen to have no stance on logging temp, has now hinted his disapproval.

[Lostby7]

@Cheesehead Dave wrote:

@Lostby7 wrote:

what else is new….. 🙄

What’s new is even Jeremy, who in the past has chosen to have no stance on logging temp, has now hinted his disapproval.

I think he’s getting tired of all the whining…I can’t blame him for that….

[ecorangers]

Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah! Tami

[Lostby7]

@ecorangers wrote:

Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah! Tami

Don’t you mean rabble, rabble, rabble…….

[ecorangers]

😆 Seriously….the geoAdventure Maze that opened up this past weekend in Indiana which was an “event,” I noticed that a couple of geocachers logged they attended the event twice so to get credit for an event hide. Jeremy Irish was there himself including other groundspeak crew members. If Jeremy is opposed to logging temp caches, why is he letting them log the event twice?

Some cachers stay away from the geocaching.com forums because of all the negativity. I think it should stay there, and not be brought here.

Thanks for the chuckle though.

Like I always say, “those that say numbers don’t matter, are the ones that keep bringing it up.” Tami

[marc_54140]

I love this line from the profile of someone on the national forms:

Don’t Ruin It For Everyone Else.

[3 Hawks]

I think that if some of the vocal minority had been here for Green&Gold’s Superbowl event; they would have a better perspective into the topic. I endured sub-zero temps, wind chills in the minus 20’s, and over a foot of snow. The National Weather Service was advising people not to go out into the elements. I was given coords to cache containers hidden in traditional locations throughout the city. I drove around, trudged through the snow, found caches, and signed logs. Sure sounds like geocaching to me. If it looks like a cache and sounds like a cache; it is a cache. Thanks for the fun John and the gang!!!

The All-A-Glow event was a blast. Thanks Renee, Brian, and the gang!!! Searching for caches in the rain and dark was a real challenge. There were actually a few DNF’s posted on at least one of the hides. I had to drive to at least 6 different locations to find the caches. I tore my rain coat on one of my searches as I was entering the woods. Reception was a real challenge and I had a hard time on a few of them.

I think they envision us sitting around eating brats and cheese, laughing at them while we bulk log pocket caches brought around to each of us in a large procession by cache and beer wenches.

Their lack of any valid argument on the topic clearly demonstrates their ignorance into the practice and only shows their true colors.

The only point with any validity is pocket caches. I think pocket caches should just be used for raffle or door prize purposes. Then again, I have logged pocket caches. When in Rome…

Maybe we should start dissecting the regional practices in our own threads as proof of our superior ethics.

I just don’t get what all the fuss is about. These folks need to get a life or they need to adopt a puppy or something.

Just remember, don’t try to argue with them in the national forums!! You cannot argue against circular reasoning that is not based on any logical footing.

Happy Caching!!!

[Lostby7]

[GOJeepers]

I just attended the WGA Campout in Waupaca and was really impressed with the hides. They were topnotch, clever and for the most part super challenging. I have never been so tired after a day of caching as I was after that event. It took me a week to fully recover. If you tell me that I wasn’t really caching then I am going to get ticked off!

My attitude after reading this thread and the one on the GC.com board is “fine, then I will never attend another event.” I am not going to waste time that I could be out “really caching” to sit around a campfire and sing songs. No, I am not there purely for the numbers, but if I work that hard for a cache then I would like the “reward” that comes along with it, namely getting credit for finding it in the first place.

My time is very limited yet I choose to go out and search for tupperware in the woods. If I am not going to get credit for the caches I find at events then I won’t look for those caches. Period. Maybe I will come, shake hands and then be on my way, but only if it is right in my backyard. I will definitely not travel 50 miles with today’s gas prices just to log a single find. Not worth it.

Yes, this issue is a dead horse, but many people keep making it an issue and I don’t want to be looked down upon by “purists” at the events. Maybe it really is better to avoid them altogether.

BTW, for means of full disclosure….I logged 34 “attends” for the WGA Campout and until 20 minutes ago I didn’t feel bad about it. It was hard work and I thought I earned them. I will not be changing my logs, but I will probably never do it again.

Sara

[Lostby7]

Don’t feel bad about those logs Sara; you earned every one of them.

[3 Hawks]

[Team Deejay]

Here are my thoughts. Most (something like 95% or more) people who use geocaching.com do not log temporary event caches as finds. When I look at my numbers, I want them to mean the same as everyone elses, for purposes of comparison. For this reason, I am CHOOSING to not log temporary caches anymore. (Not to mention that logging them is not a very interesting way to spend my time!) I still have some of these temporary finds in my numbers, but they are slowly going away. That said, if anyone else wants to log temps, that is their business, not mine. Currently, gc.com allows the practice, so if this is what you want to do, go for it!

As far as events being “a waste of caching time” if you don’t get to log lots of finds, I couldn’t disagree more. For me, the most important parts of an event are the people that I meet, the friends that I make, and the experiences we share. The number of finds I can log is pretty far down the list. In fact, one of my regrets about some of the events I have attended was that I didn’t spend more time socializing and less time “hunting”. But there will be more events available for me to rectify that mistake.

It is also my opinion that we should strive to place permanent caches for events wherever possible. The problem with most temporary caches that would prevent them from being published are:

• Proximity (too many caches too close together)
• Permanence (Listed caches “should” be around for at least 3 months, and many temporaries use unusual containers, radio transmitters, and other “gimmicks” that would prevent them from sticking around that long, and
• Maintenance (often the people placing the caches live too far from the site to maintain the caches, if they were left for the requisite 3 month period.)

I’m guessing that most people on the boards are objecting to these issues, rather than the “is there a log?” or “is it a challenge?” type of questions. But I also agree that arguing with them is pointless and does nothing to make the situation better for anyone.

[Cheesehead Dave]

I’m the “I wish GC.com had a way to separately log temp caches” group. While I find it amusing to see how bent out of shape people get about it (it’s like I ran over their kitten or something) the points that people make are certainly valid.

Yes, most of the temp caches at events would fit the guidelines for being a permanent cache. Yes, some of them take a lot of effort to find and people would like some sort of credit for finding them.

There are caches listed on Navicache and Terracaching which also would fit GC.com’s guidelines and take effort to find. If you found one of them, would you log on GC.com as well? What’s the difference, other than one is part of an event cache?

I love doing temp caches at events, but personally, I no longer feel the need to get a smiley for each one I find. (Yes, I used to log temps.) I like getting into a group to spend the day hunting and enjoy the social aspect of having a good time with people I normally only communicate with over the internet. I would hardly consider that a day wasted. If I want smilies, I can find the permanent caches in the area.

I’m not going to judge anyone by how they play the game. As I’ve said before, nobody’s going to win at geocaching if you have the most finds. On the other hand, I don’t think the world is going to come crashing down if we no longer log multiple “Attended” logs for temp finds.

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