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As luck would have it, I take one doxycycline every day and I will for the rest of my life. I take it for an eye condition common among divers and welders. I’ve never dove and the last time I welded anything was in the 8th grade. I’ve always got a supply of doxycycline at home so give me a holler if you are in a pinch.

Does this make me immune to Lymes or would I need to take a triple dose if I suspected Lymes?

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Hey, what’s wrong with having your cake and eating it too.

CITO events are fun because of the opportunity to give something back to the community and because of the company you enjoy while doing it. Camp-outs and picnics are a great opportunity to socialize. Basics Workshops are an excellent way to bring people into the fold.

I’d have gone to Green & Gold’s Superbowl event even if there hadn’t been any temps. He put a lot of work into making those temps just as challenging as any permanent. He braved dangerous wind chills placing the caches and we braved those extreme conditions to find an log them.

Uncle_Fun’s pizza social was a blast. We socialized our butts off. No temps there. Albeit, there were a few pocket caches.

The All-A Glow was a blast. We could have stayed under the shelter to stay dry, but the majority of us ventured off into the dark to find temp caches in a real gully washer of a rain storm.

Some events are geared towards socializing, some are geared towards hunting temps, and some events give you the opportunity to do it all. Some prefer one type of event over the others for any number of personal reasons.

Let’s not interject guilt or shame into the discussion about how we do things here. Don’t use words such as ethics when describing your own personal practices because that implies that anyone who does not do things your way is unethical in your eyes. That might be offensive to some who are not as “enlightened” and “wise.” Just remember, enlightenment and wisdom are relative. In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.

Don’t change your approach just because you are afraid of what someone from the coast, who has never attended one of our events, thinks. Lets hold our brats, cheese, and beer up high and do it our way/your way.

In summary; I want temps, cake, brats, cheese, beer, fun, and great people. Anyone know where I can find that?

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I’d just like to add that I did not mean to bash anyone’s personal decisions or opinions regarding this issue. I will sometimes voice an extreme opinion just to see the response.

Productive growth and change is only attained by bringing together people with drastically opposed views. If everyone in WI voiced the consensus opinion that it’s a personal decision; we’d never have a meaningful discussion into the matter.

I could argue the other extreme just as easily but that would draw more flack than I’m willing to deal with.

You should have seen the debate I had with a Houston area cacher over some of the caches they placed for the Modern Day Outlaw Quest. We debated directly instead of through the forum. We got a little mean at times but we could tell that the other was not getting overly offended. We made sure not to cross the line. We eventually came to a mutual agreement on the topic and we’ve been e-mailing back and forth about other issues not related to the Quest.

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Maybe we should all be like Little Rover. He rarely logs his finds at all. I guess he is far more evolved than the rest of us. He has grown past logging smiley faces and is at one with nature.

I think a few in this string are missing the point a bit. 95% of the event temps I’ve found were hidden better than all of those dead end/guard rail caches littering the US. Don’t get me wrong. I like a quick dead end/guard rail cache just as much as the next person.

I’ve never done any of the BoB caches in Chicago, but I’m fairly sure a good chunk of the temps I’ve logged were better hides than the majority of the BoB’s. I see that some local cachers were able to knock out all or most of the BoB’s in a day. Did anyone complain about people logging the BoB’s as 99 finds? Maybe they should only count as one smiley.

Additionally, I’m of the opinion that avoiding an event that has temps, just because they have temps, is a rather…umm…odd stance on the subject. I’ve got a young daughter and a job. Therefore, you won’t see me in the Upper Peninsula very often and you won’t see me making a trip all of the way up there just to chat and look at someones collection of geocoins.

So if I decide to follow your prescribed course; I should just avoid any local event because I’ve already found most of the caches in the area. Then I wouldn’t have to waste my time and I could go somewhere else to find “REAL” caches.

An event is intended to bring people together for a group experience. Just meeting for a huddle and then heading off in your own direction to hunt “REAL” caches you’ve not already found kind of defeats the purpose of an event.

Why even bother to drive all that way if we could just decide to all log into the chat room at the same time to view someones on-line coin collection. We could gab a bit, share some stories, and we could all head off on our own to find “REAL” caches. We could just call it a “Virtual Event.”

The definition of a “REAL” cache is not based simply on finding any old container. I get coords, I head into the woods, I find a container with a log in it, I sign the log, and then I re-hide it for the next cacher. That sure sounds like a “REAL” cache to me.

What isn’t REAL to you may be to someone else. I’ve seen a lot of “REAL” lame caches out there and I’ve seen some “REAL” challenging temp hides. Groundspeak should come out with a REALCACHE-O-METER so that we don’t have to decide for ourselves what is “REAL” and what is not “REAL”.

Is a BONUS cache any less “REAL” than an event cache? What is the difference? The only difference is that one is attached to a permanent cache and one is attached to an event. Attach the event caches as bonus caches to a permanent cache placed in honor of the event, attend the event, jabber all you want at the event, exchange stories, laugh, swap TB’s and GC’s, admire GC collections, put faces to names, meet new people, take the time to show a newbie the ropes, load up the temp coords, head out and find the temps, and log them under the permanent cache as bonus finds. You’d only log one event attend and the rest would be BONUS finds. REAL smileys for REAL caches all logged under REAL caches with REAL GC#’s. That would leave ’em scratching their heads for a bit.

The easiest was to fight against any irrational argument is to give them what they want. Just do it in a way that they had not anticipated and watch ’em squirm, back track, and change direction. It’s like watching a squirrel trying to cross the road. Many get run over and you never see them again.

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What are the other states stances on BONUS finds? Why not just place one new permanent cache for each event as close to the event as possible? Place a code word inside. Come to the event and present the code word to obtain the coords for the event temps. Go find the temps and log them as bonus finds under the permanent. You still get to log that you attended the event. You get one additional permanent and you get to log all of the temps as bonus finds under a cache with a GC#.

You would not need to present the code word to obtain the event cache coords, but by finding the permanent cache; you’d have another logging option.

Just throwing out ideas here…

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Holy cow! I can smell the smoldering remains of Dave from my home!!

Hey Tami, I like my steak medium.

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I think that if some of the vocal minority had been here for Green&Gold’s Superbowl event; they would have a better perspective into the topic. I endured sub-zero temps, wind chills in the minus 20’s, and over a foot of snow. The National Weather Service was advising people not to go out into the elements. I was given coords to cache containers hidden in traditional locations throughout the city. I drove around, trudged through the snow, found caches, and signed logs. Sure sounds like geocaching to me. If it looks like a cache and sounds like a cache; it is a cache. Thanks for the fun John and the gang!!!

The All-A-Glow event was a blast. Thanks Renee, Brian, and the gang!!! Searching for caches in the rain and dark was a real challenge. There were actually a few DNF’s posted on at least one of the hides. I had to drive to at least 6 different locations to find the caches. I tore my rain coat on one of my searches as I was entering the woods. Reception was a real challenge and I had a hard time on a few of them.

I think they envision us sitting around eating brats and cheese, laughing at them while we bulk log pocket caches brought around to each of us in a large procession by cache and beer wenches.

Their lack of any valid argument on the topic clearly demonstrates their ignorance into the practice and only shows their true colors.

The only point with any validity is pocket caches. I think pocket caches should just be used for raffle or door prize purposes. Then again, I have logged pocket caches. When in Rome…

Maybe we should start dissecting the regional practices in our own threads as proof of our superior ethics.

I just don’t get what all the fuss is about. These folks need to get a life or they need to adopt a puppy or something.

Just remember, don’t try to argue with them in the national forums!! You cannot argue against circular reasoning that is not based on any logical footing.

Happy Caching!!!

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Anybody got anything in the Milwaukee area (30-40 mile radius) for Masked Menace? I’ve found a cache for every other outlaw, but just cant locate anything for this one.

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Sound like it could be a lot of fun and I think a few activities could be planned for the youngsters. Fun for the whole family!!

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I’ve only three requirements left to find but I’m not going to be able to log anymore into jail until Monday. We are camping tonight and I’m only home because we ran back home with my three year old daughter when the severe weather started to roll in.

I’ve identified two caches to satisfy of my remaining requirements but I still need an apple/orchard/crop cache.

Half of my requirements were satisfied without even trying and I only realized what I had found when I was reading the cache pages as I was logging my finds.

Just find a cache in an area you have not cached, that meets one of the requirements, and hunt any other caches in the area. You’d be surprised what you find when you are not even looking.

Has anyone figured out the key to the Fast Forward. I missed mine and Jay Mills is trying to figure his out before he runs out of time. He has the 16 lines decoded but that still doesn’t tell you where to look.

I guess I know less about the fast forward than I thought.

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Of course I figured out the Fast Forward thingy only slightly after I had to put my outlaw in jail.

Make sure you figure out the “key” to the first fast forward BEFORE you start your seventh chase.

My rush to the next chase cost me over an hour of added average chase time. I think the only way to be in the running is to use the Fast Forwards and to use them wisely.

Sorry to hear that Trekkin’ is under the weather. I hope it is only a nasty cold instead of the alternative.

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I’m to the point where I should have the option of a “fast forward.” Unfortunately, I am unable to find the hidden map-point.

Does anyone have any insight into this topic?

Thanks!

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The “star” is only about 150 feet across. Just find a cache near a parking lot, football field, or baseball diamond. Heck, you could probably do it in a forest that doesn’t have too much underbrush.

Have you done the Tanks For the Nano caches? The one in Onalaska has more than enough room in the parking lot of the Legion.

The Bluegillin cache out on Brice Prairie is “close” to a park and there is an open field there. There are a few caches in Van Riper Park in Onalaske that have enough open space to create the star.

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Great!!! Now we have someone with the decoder coins. I just printed out the decoder wheels referenced in the Quest description. I have not yet started to decode any, but the “Let the games begin.” code.

This is my first Quest, so this is all new to me. To get started, you just need to go to the Quest page and register. The Quest forums also provide a lot of great info on getting started.

Good Luck!!

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