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Hey, That’s cool! Maybe we can do first finds on each others caches. On second thought, why don’t we just mail each other the cash!
(Yes, I put ‘cache’ for ‘cash’ the first time and had to edit it.)
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kbraband,
They are similar because of the cash prize…
Gotcha! Since yours predates ours and is in place, we’re going to scrap the cash prize part of it, it wasn’t all that important to our idea for the cache itself, and we’d rather not dilute your plans
…but I don’t believe a boat is special equipment.
Sam’s is like Carpe Cache in the frozen water aspect. We got within .3 miles of Carpe Cache last week, but couldn’t bring ourselves to tread across the ice to it. Way too many partially covered ice fishing holes. As to a boat making it a 5, we lean with the ‘5’ crowd as long as no boat is provided. An example: we did ‘Row, Row, Row’ your boat in Illinois last year, the cache is located at a lake where boats are rented for a nominal fee; this cache is not rated a 5 as you can rent a boat there. However, for us to hunt Sam’s Island cache, or Carpe Cache, we would have to BUY a boat to do those caches. I think having to buy or borrow a boat and transport it to the site would qualify as a ‘5’.
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Sbusky said: I think a little too much importance can be place on first finds.
Kbrbaband Said: I agree completely.
All depends on what you’re into
Different strokes for different folks
Caching’s cool ’cause we each get to do the aspects we like, and ignore the parts we don’t.[This message has been edited by CacheCows (edited February 24, 2002).]
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Originally posted by sbukosky:
…If a cache is based on the first one there getting the right to take an expensive prize, what incentive is there after that?
Perhaps the same incentive there is for every cache that doesn’t have an expensive incentive?
We’ve hunted over a hundred caches, and not a single one had an expensive incentive, yet we hunted them. Once the expensive incentive is gone, the cache becomes just a regular cache. Why wouldn’t people hunt it? The incentive is just to prime the pump…
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Originally posted by kbraband:
Alan must have been reading my mind a couple of weeks ago (or my forum posting). I hid a cache that has a cache prize a couple of weeks ago, but I’m not going to post it for awhile — when the marshy land thaws and the bugs come out.
Umm, yum! Bugs and swamp land!
Is ours similier because of the cash prize, or because of the rating? We originally read about the cash prize idea on a cache out in California Arn was going to hunt last year. Thought it was a great idea as a draw, but none of our current caches warrented it. Then a couple of weeks ago, we got the idea for a new cache.
Is yours also going to be rated high, possibly because of quick-sand, man-eating bugs, or swamp creatures? That would be cool, we need some high rated caches.
I think Carpe Cache and Sam’s new cache are the only 5s in the SE part of the state.
Looking forward to its release!
Ours will be high because of the length of the hike (27 miles). It might be possible to do by boat, but of course that still would make it a 5. Or it could be done in segemnts, which means overnight, so its still a 4.5-5.
It won’t be worked on till probably late Spring, probably Summer before its released.
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sbukosky,
One of the things I find cool about geocaching is that there are so many ways to ‘play’ the game. If you are into first finds, it can be played that way. If into scores, you can go for finds. If into creativity, you can put an emphasis on hiding over finding. If into woods, or urban, or rock climbing, or water, there are caches suited to every terrain there is.
Its cool that no one has to get forced into only one way to play, there are so many options! The way the sport/hobby is growing, I don’t think we have to worry too much about the focus narrowing into one way to play
Hey, cool idea! Are you thinking of bouncing it around every so often? Nice way to advertise it!
I keep meaning to get out to ‘You Are What You Eat’ to swap out the container, but haven’t made it yet. I don’t know what condition the food coupons are in, but Thrax is right, it started with $70 or so in coupons.
We are planing a level 4.5-5 for Spring, which will start with $110 in it (we were hunting our 110th cache when we got the idea). This is to be an incentive for it to be hunted, but will be for just the first finder. So pilfering won’t be an issue, once the cash is gone, its just a regular cache.
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Wow! Some intriguing ideas in that post!
First the negatives: I, for one, can see the ‘J-Man’ having the same response to http://www.progeocaching.com as he did to Buxley et. al. (Jeremy, if you’re reading this, tell me I’m wrong, that you wouldn’t be at least upset by this idea). Having just gone up against him in the Battle of the Scripts, I’m not inclined to do it again so soon
Now the positives: I love the idea of pre-announcnments and ‘Grand Openings’, and the handicapping is a cool idea too. Plus the access to certain caches only by known entities has major merit.
My suggestions: What if Thrax’s idea was overt as in progeocaching.com, but rather done at the local or state wide level covertly. Like a private club that is by invitation only? A hidden site for those in the know…
kbraband, I’m really interested in your take here, as I know you are sensitive to the issue of ‘elitism’ and the rights of everyone to cache. I view this concept as a ‘next level’ of caching. Everyone has the right to cache, but in addition there is ‘private’ caching.
We originally were going to use reflectors in our ‘Tales from the Crypt’ cache, but after reflection, felt this was a bad idea.
I don’t think tags banded to trees are bad, as long as they are loose enough for the tree to grow, are they?
If reflectors are used, what about those reflecting thumbtacks that are specifically made for hunters and others to mark trails? Do they do permanent damage? Since they are specifically made for this purpose, what do you think of them?
YD,
I posted a couple of possible ideas to your question on protecting your new cache over on the Help forum. I thought more ideas might be presented over in its own thread, so it doesn’t get buried here. Hope you don’t mind
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Originally posted by Yawningdog:
…this time I am considering placing the cache and then immediately archiving it and allowing the hunt by invitation only. For obvious reasons, I am struggling with the possible ramifications. Will I, and those I invite to the hunt, be seen as elitists…What do you guys think?
YD, a couple of ideas:
1) CacheBarr recently placed a cache on the Lake Geneva shorepath with 4 ‘gifts’ for the first 4 finders that are rather nice. Their stated intention is to refill the cache once they are gone. You could likewise start the cache with a limited number of items, so if the contents are swiped its not as big a loss. As cachers trade, that number should remian constant, but if the cache is close enough to your home, you could seed it from time to time.2) Place at the cache co-ordinates a tag like Artopsy uses that has a code-word on it. The cacher must then e-Mail you that code word along with their team name. Once you receive the correct code-word, you email them via geocaching.com e-Mail system the true final co-ordiantes of the cache container. If they give you a fake teamname, the email to them will fail and they won’t know the location of the ‘treasure’. If it is valid, and the content’s come up missing right after they hunt it, then you have their identity and Jeremy can take steps. You could also check their team name out on geocaching.com to see how many finds/hides they have. You would have to mention on the cache page that how this cache works so that folks won’t be upset that they can’t complete it in one day, (which by definition I believe makes this a level 4 or 5 difficulty cache). You could even offer them the right to log a find just on the tag if they didn’t want to go after the treasure, or if you didn’t trust them.
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Originally posted by Yawningdog:
…had I contacted the park officials and made my intentions known, they could have shared their expertise regarding the fragility of certain aspects of the landscape and, perhaps, influenced my cache placement.
Yeah, and you’d have missed out on pictures like this!
Mrs. Arffer after sneaker skiing!
Hmmm…
Would a Soapbox forum fit the bill perhaps for both of these suggestions? Do you think that would work?
It could get dicy in such a forum, a moderator to keep the lid on would be a good idea I think.
That’s not a bad idea at all… Lets have others post their opinions on that kind of a forum under this thread, and we’ll see how much interest there is…
Thanks Steve!
Funny you should ask!
It seems that one of our group posted that answer just this morning
HERE
Its almost like they were anticipating your question…
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