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@Trekkin’ and Birdin’ wrote:
Old fashioned maps can work wonders sometimes, too. 😈
What are these “maps” you speak of? Are they those picture books at gas stations that have all the red, blue, green and black squiggly lines on them? Learn something new every day 😯
I’ve found myself in unfamiliar cities and when I select the next cache to find, the Nuvi will route me into a residential cul-de-sac. The cache will be in a park that is on the other side of the houses but because it was closer to this street, the GPS takes me there.
Finding the park entrance or just where to park can be part of the challenge but I really don’t enjoy wasting the gas or the time looking for it. I’d rather be geocaching than driving around side streets. Having the parking coordinates as child waypoints is ideal but even listing them in the description is good enough for me. I’ll always use parking coordinates.
I tend to believe most cachers are honest and if they see a cache high up in a tree, they’ll at least attempt a climb. They may get halfway there and realize it’s beyond their ability. Or maybe it’s the last few inches which get them. Or the first few inches. Maybe they don’t even start.
As the cache owner, you get to decide if they get an 🙂 for effort. If you feel like their “try” equates enough to what you intended the cache to be, let the log stand. If you feel as though reaching the cache and signing the logbook is what makes it a find, then delete the log and tell the cacher why.I don’t look at the “sign the log book before you can claim a find” rule as anything but a means of verification in case of a dispute. If an owner wants to be a hardliner about it and check the physical log and delete any finds there is no signature for, that is their choice. Personally, I’m more flexible and would give the matter some thought before making a decision. I’m not going to just invoke the “no sign=no smiley” guideline. But, that’s me.
I know that GS ruled against cache requirements, but an owner can still delete logs if they want to, can’t they?
Sure they CAN, but Groundspeak has made it clear that if a cacher signs the physical log, they get to claim the find. If the owner deletes the log, the cacher can appeal to Groundspeak. I’m not sure what takes place after that, like how much proof GS would require from either party before ruling, but if the cacher did sign the log and GS believes they did, GS can then reinstate the found log and lock it so it cannot be deleted by the owner.
So far I’ve not seen any public remonstrance, even though both parties are aware of what has transpired.
I have no doubt another tour is being arranged, just so they can be sure to grab every S|S, -cheeto- and gotta run puzzle before they get archived. Not only would it not be a surprise, it would be keeping in line with recent behavior.
While I hate to see a cache (or caches) get archived because of the actions of a few thoughtless people, I do like seeing owners who take the kind of pride in their hides that they’d rather archive them once they feel the spirit of the cache has been lost. It’s just a shame that it’s the same carload of people who have demonstrated that they don’t care about a cache’s intent. They just want a smiley, intent and cache owner be damned.
Although I have little hope of solving most of your puzzles (S|S, cheeto, gotta run, et al) I do enjoy the ones I can solve. It is a tremendous accomplishment what your efforts have done for the Fox Valley and its caching environment. My friend used to live in Seattle and I can tell you that the level of puzzles (and all other types of caches) that exist here rival anything found there. And Seattle is kind of the Mecca of geocaching, so to say we are blessed by the quality of caching we have here in the valley is an understatement. To lose that…to lose that unique experience because of a few boneheads…that would be a big loss to our caching community.
I do hope some middle ground can be reached and that whatever slights or spats that have occurred can be overcome and forgotten. If they can’t and high quality caches (and cache owners) have to pay the archiving price, then we all lose. A cache owner has to abandon a labor of love, a cache seeker is denied a memorable cache, the community has less flavor and the loss is total. We don’t need or want that.
Bruce
I can’t wait to start reading some of the exciting cut and paste logs from all of those caches.
Fixed that for you.
As for larger PQ’s, it will be nice to have but I don’t see myself benefiting from it that much. I usually run one or two PQ’s on Friday so that I have fresh data loaded on my GPS. Depending on how I filter the info, I usually end up with between 700-800 caches loaded, of which I usually find about 10 on any given weekend.
The thing that surprises me about this is that if I remember correctly, GS discourages members from maintaining offline databases but now they are making it easier to do so. Since I don’t dabble with maintaining databases, I could be wrong about it being easier with larger PQ’s…but it just seems like it would be.
Bruce
The owner has to adopt the bug over to you before it would become your TB. The adoption process can only be started by the cache/TB/coin owner…if they’re no longer active or don’t respond to your emails, you’re basically out of luck as far as becoming the new owner. You’ll just have to put it on your watchlist and track its progress from there.
Either way, it’s cool to see a bug come back from the dead after that much time 😀 I’ve found a few myself that hadn’t been logged in quite awhile or were showing in caches in many states away and it’s always a good feeling to get them back into circulation again.
Bruce
If you use Amazon.com, they have set up a donation effort through MercyCorps to help those in need in Haiti. It’s very easy to use.
Every dollar changes someone’s life for the better. That works both ways. For those who receive as well as those who give. So, the next time you’re at the dollar store looking for swag or buying a geocoin or buying fresh batteries for your GPS, consider making a matching donation to the Red Cross.
The FreeRice campaign has been going on since 2007, so even if you can’t donate money, you can still feed the hungry (and become smarter in the process!).
I’ve seen new caches last only a few hours, even in fresh snow and sub-zero temperatures and, SURPRISE, a few miles outside of town away from the area where cache placements are most dense.
I’d be willing to bet almost all of those were traditional caches or two stage multi’s.
As you gain more experience, you’ll understand that traditional caches are far and away more popular than multi’s and puzzle caches. Some, heck maybe even many, people simply WILL NOT bother with multi or puzzle caches, no matter how easy they are. Puzzle caches in particular. I was guilty of that when I first started out.
If you place a multi or puzzle cache, you have to know up front that you’re placing a cache that only a small percentage of geocachers will seek out.
And then I place one. 48 hours goes by, and Im sitting here scratching my head… Surprised.
“Did my puzzle really stump some people?” –I wouldnt think so… It wasnt that hard.I’m not a great puzzle solver, so don’t read too much into this, but it stumped me 😯
I found Osprey Island: Ducks Redux today. Very enjoyable trek across the ice.
I plan on finding Deep Blue this coming week.
Along with the other caches listed, that should give you a good start.
Bruce
I just installed the script and just from the little bit I looked at it, I like it. Reading the description on the download page, I had the impression that you could rate when you logged the find. Now when I look at my list of finds, I can rate them right from there. That’s handy. Thanks for the link.
Bruce
Don’t all rock bands have an accordion player? They should. This is very cool and something I’d love to happen upon. Thanks for sharing!
Bruce
This and the prior posting point out the common misconception that you have to be the first (or only) finder of the lonely caches to earn the points.
This is what tripped me up. I WAS under the misconception that once a LCG cache was found by any WGA member, it was out of play. So, my thought process was that I could find the cache but then have to sift through to see if any member had logged it. That seemed like more trouble than it was worth and chances were I wasn’t going to be the first, so I didn’t invest more time into it. I just liked the idea of finding a cache that had sat unfound for months and months.
The points system and scoreboard still doesn’t interest me much but thanks to this thread, I see a side of the game I hadn’t before and that is the giving back to the community aspect. Thanks to a compiled list, there are caches that are going to get visited by a good handful of people who otherwise might not have them on their radar. I know for me, I wouldn’t be running a pocket query for most of these areas unless I was visiting there. I don’t want any of my caches on a LCG list because that means noone is finding them. I didn’t place them with that in mind. Neither did the owners of the caches that DO show up on the list. Getting a little more traffic funneled to your cache after it’s been dormant for awhile is a good give-back.
Ack, I didn’t mean to get long-winded when all I wanted to say was thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
Bruce
I’ve given thought to joining in on the LCG, but it’s not really my thing. Mainly, I don’t care about the points and the process of submitting the cache for those points. I do enjoy finding lonely caches, so I do look at the list and see if I can’t knock one or two off but I also respect that others do participate in the LCG and don’t mind giving them ample time to find it before I do. Of course, sometimes I’m just greedy and go out and find it right away 😈
Bruce
I wonder why they never show these guys landing?
Too graphic.
Bruce
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