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There’s always next month…

But are there any left for you to find? 😉

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The “official” logo, link, message coding is on most if not all of my cache pages and is on my geocaching.com profile page as well. I would hope that doing so has atleast prompted a couple people to discover our group. It’s the least I can do to help continue to grow what we have.

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Should the board decide to review the decision, I think we need to stay with this design, but spruce it up a bit.

I fully agree with this statement.

I think the voto winning design could have been used as a great starting point as is seen in a couple of other post-new logo anaouncement attempts at sprucing the logo. I absolutely love the one with the navigator stuff on the wisconsin outline.

Again, my posts have nothing to do with “not getting what I wanted”. Quite the contrary if you actually read what I am writing. I am contesting that WE did not get what WE wanted. The poll numbers show that.

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I just feel this argument is going nowhere.

Again, between you and I the “argument” may be going nowhere.

Arguing is not the point of my posts, neither is debating amongst people who don’t care about the topic.

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However, you start to run out of places to put bogus coords in certain areas when the reviewers require you to put those coords over water and other “unsearchable places”.

I am still curious on why stacking coordinates raises a “red flag” for reviewing and approving new listings.

Considering reviewers have to “review and approve” bogus coordinates and very often temporarily disable asking to move them to non-searchable locations or what have you, you would think stacking them in already “approved” bogus unsearchable locations would be preferred as it saves time and effort on the approvals…

I do see some people’s valid point about not seeing them all on a map and missing them. However, you can very quickly learn how to use the system Groundspeak has given us. Most have PQ and if not, there are other links and options for viewing nearby caches and nearby caches of this type. What I almost always do when I am traveling to someplace and want to review the caches in the area is I search to get a traditional cache in the area and then use the nearby caches and scroll through looking for puzzles to see what’s around and if I can solve any of them. I love to find puzzles outside my home caching area. Because I know bogus coords are not an indication of where the cache “is”, I have grown accostumed to not using the maps to find nearby puzzle caches even when I am traveling. This use method was not really developed because of “stacking”.

Another twist in the map concern is the LCG map. If they are stacked, you might miss a few lonely points 😉

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Yeah I am beating a dead horse. I’ve found a few extra paddles and I’m using them.

“What is the big friggin deal?”

Here are a couple reasons why I think it’s a “big deal”.

I put an advertisement on each of my own cache pages with a logo to a group I am representing and asking people to “check out”. Personally I would like to feel some pride in that advertisement in how it looks.

Let’s say as a member of our group, I put together a presentation for a seminar or governmental agency or whatever. Chances are, I would want to put our logo on the presentation. I do think I would want to be proud of that logo and what it says about our organization.

And our logo goes on posters, t-shirts, geocoins, and many other items.

Our logo is an important part of our group whether you, who have posted on these forums, beleive it or not.

I beleive that as a group, if we beleive we have “settled” on a logo that does not fit us and we are not really proud to use it to represent us we are simply short-changing ourselves.

And many people say “there are many more important things to work on”… you “think” there are and say it as an argument against revisiting. You give value to one topic over another. Can’t the group and the board discuss and work on several items at once? Our group’s board meets once per year and discusses lots of topics, no?

For those of you posting, “what’s the point” type messages, you can and should ignore my posts. Obviously for you, the logo doesn’t matter. I congratulate you on finding other things to do with your time than reading my posts. But I urge everyone not to downplay my (and other’s) opinions and the topic itself if you “do not care”. Simply look the other way, please.

Like I said, the only one who can choose to recognize my opinion and the numbers in this poll is our BOD.

And to touch on Jim’s (or Linda’s?) point about the message boards and how they help our group… one thing to remember is only vocal people write on message boards. We have a large marjority that won’t even anonymously vote on polls in the forums and certainly won’t post. We have to make sure as a group to get input from this group as well. Yes, the internet is probably helping all sorts of groups to communicate like never before but just like in those town-hall meetings, folks can sit quietly and never raise their hand.

I choose to be vocal when I want to be vocal. That’s the way it works for me. Sometimes I post 100’s of times per week. Other times, I simply read and enjoy the posts. However, every time I post a message to the group I think about what I am saying, the intended audience, and how I say what I say. I do things for a reason, not just to push buttons or make people upset. I respect other’s opinions 100% of the time and use respectful words and tone. Quite often, everyone should think about what they would say to the other people or 1 person in specific if responding directly if they were sitting together in the same room. That’s how I post on message boards.

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please explain why this is a “red flag”

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Based on other forum polls in the past, a turnout of 78 votes is pretty substantial. Traditional polling gathering tells you that the most votes are turned in within the first week (sure they will continue to trickle in 1 by 1… ) and it’s been 9 days since this one was published. Time to comment now.

Here’s my spin on the results… take it or leave it.

I love the new logo. I think it is a very strong logo and represents the WGA well. 6% [ 5 ]

5 people out of the entire WGA think the logo “represents the WGA well”. Yeah only 78 have responded but that’s the nature of polls. If the remaining number felt inclined I am sure they’d speak up.

I like the new logo because we needed to update our old one and this is a great improvement 17% [ 14 ]

An additional 14 people like the new logo (but don’t “love” it). What sets this group apart from the other 5 who like it is they don’t see that it “represents the WGA well” -or- they felt strongly about the “we needed to update our old one” statement and didn’t think much about the “represents the WGA well” piece of the other answer.

I’m good with the new logo, it wasn’t my first choice, but I agree with the masses and the BOD. 12% [ 10 ]

Really a “status quo” answer. These 10 people don’t really think its a good choice but don’t really care either way.

I’m impartial to the new logo. I just want the whole affair to be over with. I’m tired of it. 26% [ 21 ]

This one is tricky. It seems like the most impartial way to vote for those fence sitters or those who don’t care about logos at all. However, it probably got many votes because of the 2nd part about wanting the affair to be over with. Either way, this group doesn’t say it likes or dislikes the logo choice. Interestingly this is about a quarter of the respondents. Not really a great result from a logo process. The process should shoot for like it or dislike it and very little “grey area” votes.

I don’t really care for the new logo, but it’s really not a big deal anyway. 11% [ 9 ]

Like the impartial votes, this group really doesn’t care about the logo at all and is expressing their “taste” regarding the logo choice.

I’m not very happy with the new logo, it just doesn’t seem to be much of an improvemnet 10% [ 8 ]

Interestingly, the “strongest” of the no-vote statements.

I really dislike the new logo. The colors are drab and it communicates nothing about our organization. But I will live with it. 14% [ 11 ]

Traditionally these would be worded from most in favor to least in favor. However, this one is again a mixed question. You have the folks who “really dislike” the new logo but they are also voting for “I’ll live with it”.

To be open, I voted for this option but not because I would like to “live with it”. I voted for it because I do think the new logo is “drab” and does nothing to improve over the prior logo, in many ways it takes steps backwards in logo design rather than forwards.

I will “live with it” because that’s how participating in a big political group is (I learned that from being in a PTA as well)

But, I still think the main point here is we don’t have to “live with it” and I think it’s my right to continue to express my opinion on the matter just like any other political group. There are those who sit quietly regarding all topics and there are those who lobby and speak. I never really spoke up at all about the logging temps topic which was the “last heated debate”. However, I do feel that the group can “get it right” here rather than just “settle”. What frustrates me is knowing that some on the current BOD think it could be better and the masses agree it could be better based on this poll. As I have said before, this is not voting for president and we should all be proud of the group we belong to and feel like we have a small say in the direction the group takes. The way this decision was handled, I think many don’t feel like they helped all that much (even though it was put to the masses for voting…) and those same many feel like everyone is just “settling” rather than producing something to be proud of.

As of right now over 30% of those in the WGA speaking on the topic disagree with the Logo choice that was made. 37% are basically impartial on the topic. 12% are “good with the logo choice but it’s not their favorite. 6% love the new logo choice. 17% like it but don’t believe it represents the WGA well.

If I was a member of the newly elected BOD, I would work to convince the board that this decision should be revisited. But I am not so I can only regurgitate numbers and hope that someone else on the newly formed board agrees with me. If not, I guess “I will live with it” and hit the trails.

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Stack away…

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no more lonely sudoku’s around here!

I think gotta run’s just showing off now.

See you in February 😈

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Dont forget front steps of courthouse/jails… the reviewers frown upon those places too I hear. 😆

Good luck finding just the right spots for those new caches!

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My junk is scattered around in a few spots. I have a backpack, some nooks and crannies in my bedroom closet and the center console of my truck loaded with cache containers, flashlights, printed cache pages covered in scribbled notes, travel bugs, etc. my organization technique is efficient. Ask me where something “was” and I might be able to tell you….

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Garmin Etrex Vista HCX for my main caching unit. Others may like their big clunky (better?) Garmin’s but I bought this one specifically because I want a small unit that I am confortable slipping in my pocket and it fits in my hand easily.

Everyone knows I got a Nextar Q4-04 navigation unit for Christmas. Still working on whether I can hack the thing to do custom POI’s but it does come in handy when navigating unknown neighborhoods with lots of dead-ends. It’s a neat unit for navigating but not really for geocaching.

I also have my original Magellan unit. It’s yellow and you have to put coords in by hand. It actually produced more reliable coords than the new Garmin and the rechargeable batteries lasted much longer in it but it was slower than molasses at aquiring initial signal and the manual programming was too much work 🙂

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Congrats Astro D Team!

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I think it’s that Menasha friendliness and hospitality showing 🙂

Welcome to geocaching, the WGA, and these forums!

I’m sure you’ve seen a few of my cache pages out there by now. I grew up in Menasha, live in Appleton, and work in Neenah so I am all over the valley..

Enjoy the fun and we look forward to those new cache placements.

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