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Congrats!!

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Everyone is focusing on the tour aspect of a bigger topic. It is unfortunate because the real focus should be that everyone should attempt to complete a cache as it was designed and want to do that. We should want to play as a cache owner intends. The cache owner is who sets up our “game board” so to speak.

How does a cache owner intend for me to play?

We don’t have to read a cache owner’s mind to know that if there was a puzzle put in place that they wanted you to solve the puzzle as part of finding that cache. If not, they would have published some other type of cache.

We shouldn’t be looking for ways to shortcut. We should be looking for caches that appeal to what we want to get out of participating!

Yeah, on occasion everyone shortcuts. We walk across ice. We send our kids up a tree or into a rabbit hole. We have our spouse solve a Sudoku. We can all admit to playing this way from time to time but it certainly is not how most of us want to play all the time.

I love every aspect of attempting to play the game as it is intended by the owner of each cache and being able to choose not to participate if a particular cache doesn’t appeal to me.

What is the geocaching experience for you?

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Congrats!!

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Congrats on the milestone!!!

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You may have noticed that we now have 2 submissions posted for the contest. YEAH!!

Keep em’ coming in guys n’ gals. There is a lot of creativity out there.

One other thing… We’re trying something new this time. I have opted to leave off the designer’s names on the submission thread. While most who follow this thread will know who’s is who’s I thought it might be interesting to leave off the designer’s name on the submissions until after the member vote.

Credit for all designs will be added to the voting results.

If anyone disagrees with this process and wants the designer’s names listed with the submissions prior to the vote please send me a PM outlining your reasoning and I can share that with the committee.

Thanks everyone. Keep the great ideas rolling…

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All caches have been adopted out.

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Submission 2
Submitted on 3/29/10

Front:

Back:

Design Information:
Front: Four translucent colors for the counties over a relief of Wisconsin terrain.
Back: Wisconsin outdoor activities.

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Based on certain usage of the term ‘tour’ on our forums my mind associates it with the following situation:

A person who knows the area and how to navigate (and perhaps has found many of the caches in the target area) getting together with other cachers to drive them around to the various caches on a list.

When you place the word ‘puzzle’ in front of the term ‘tour’ it would imply the above situation where a majority of the caches on the list are puzzle caches and solve sharing is welcome.

What: The 2010 Puzzle Bus Tour of the Kingdom of Selzzup
When: 20 March 2010.

6. Puzzle solvers / solutions always welcome.

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@glorkar wrote:

I would brush it off and enjoy the next generation of finders that comes along.

Future finders learn from our veteran player’s example.

Especially when they attend events intended to teach them how to solve puzzles (or teach them to find them no matter how they get the coords) and when they attend social events where they learn from our veterans and when they are invited to puzzle tours.

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@glorkar wrote:

Maybe it’s just me, but it does seem like there are a lot of posts in the few “adoption” threads that could be moved to one central thread for discussing/debating the issue.

I hear ya but I’m not even going to begin to try to move all pertinent items to a single thread. If another BOD member/admin want to attempt go ahead. Maybe easier, If someone want’s to post a new thread I will re-post my most recent post in that topic.

FYI – This topic did have it’s own dedicated post with gotta run’s poll.

From that point the discussion has been carried on in various other threads, emails, offline discussions, etc.

Some people may feel like this discussion is debating something insignificant or arguing just for the sake of arguing. Perhaps for you it might be. But I think if you read seldom|seen’s post you will start to understand that for some members this discussion is important.

Some people have tried to make geocaching just a bit more than finding a key holder and signing your name and tallying a find count. Should we discount that effort? Should we reward that effort? Either way, we should respect the cache owners who have helped make this game what it is for all of us.

All I know is that it just feels wrong handing someone else the solved coordinates to a puzzle cache. Not because the written rules tell me so. I also know that there are others out there who feel the same way.

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I wish a lot of this dialogue was not buried in what are seemingly uninteresting (and perhaps unread) threads. (no offense meant dave…)

I’ve said this to my fellow board members and I will say it here publicly. Perhaps it is up to the WGA members as a group to identify what is fair play and respectful social interaction. While I would have liked to see the board take a position on this and I emphasize with everyone who’s emailing me, it really is up to all of us to take a position on this.

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Here is what we have right now…

We have an informal WGA forum poll that tells us most people either sit on the fence (I read: don’t care or don’t want to be involved) OR think that it’s okay to find a puzzle cache by any possible means, including being given the coordinates.

We have a lack of formal rules or regulations in the game (as played on geocaching.com) pertaining to this.

We have cache owners who include the difficulty of a puzzle in the cache difficulty rating and who believe that solving the puzzle is part of the experience and part of the challenge of the cache they placed, not an optional component that can be bypassed if chosen.

Some are arguing over ethics. If you believe you are breaking a rule in a game is that not unethical? Are we not taught to play games by the rules? However, if you do not believe this to be a rule of the game, then no rules are being broken.

But remember, this issue is also about respect. Regardless of who’s right, who’s wrong. Who’s following rules, who’s breaking rules. We have people who know “which side of the fence” you may sit on and are provokingly disrespecting you in our group’s forums and in some cache logs. And their defense? It’s not a rule of the game. How can this be disrespectful?

Here on our website we interact as a community. We socialize at events. This is a social hobby. We do have interaction with other humans. We should respect them in what we say and do even if we don’t see things the same way as them.

It would be nice if the rules of this game were laid out in black and white and everyone followed them. It would be even nicer if everyone would respect each other and have fun.

It’s in my signature but I will add that this is not the boards position or opinion. It is my own.

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Sagasu – I will take over Rocky (GCP3ZY)

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@koolma_k wrote:

@BakRdz wrote:

@koolma_k wrote:

(Do they make glow in the dark enamel??)

I have some “Found It!” pins from Oakcoins.com and they glow in the dark. What ever it is that makes those glow I would imagine could be used on a coin.

Very cool, I am actually having a very fun time coming up with this design!! Glow in the dark enamel, or whatever it is will be a definate want for this coin then if it doesn’t increase the cost to much.

There is a cost associated.

I am sure it is less than embedding a working compass 😉

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@Todd300 wrote:

Didn’t Peaches just give you the “Here and There” series not long ago?

Yes.

These are still up for adoption.

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