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My doctor won’t let me go up and down
That is rather unfortunate 😆
If interested, read my post on the other thread.
Kinda tough with a discussion split between 2+ threads.
Summary: don’t tie the temp cache activity to the general door prize raffle.
As I proposed on the BOD candidates corner thread, offer a unique prize for completing a certain amount of the temp caching activity.
If you continue to insist that proposal unfair, than I am done with this topic. It’s not unfair to offer a prize for folks who complete an event activity.
Yeah! Thanks for your work on this Jeremy. The stalkers appreciate it.
And yes, I’m being quite serious about incorporating braille into a cache.
There’s one in Appleton that might include braille as well. You may have to read it as if you were deaf though, not look at pictures of it.
I won’t indicate which one it might be though….
This is why a reward/prize should be given to all teams for doing x number of temps as an activity, like I proposed in my candidate’s corner response. Perhaps, 80% or some threshold. Without a reward/prize (like at the 09 campout), some participants out there wonder, “what’s the point?”
The temp cache activity should not be tied to the general raffle prizes as it seems this causes some to feel the general “door prize” raffle becomes unfair.
If it’s not tied to the general raffle then there is absolutely no way that it would be unfair. At that point, all attendees have the same chance of winning a door prize.
All attendees have a choice to participate in the temp cache activity with an opportunity to “win” something for doing that activity. If you choose to socialize or hunt permanent caches than so be it. You’ve had a fair shot at the door prize and chosen to not go for the temp cache “prize”.
I’m not volunteering for the 2010 camp-out committee but by nature of being voted to the BOD (please?) I would attempt to make it “fair” in the eyes of all members.
As a side note, I agree with Averith’s post 100%
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It reminds me of a CITO we attended last year. If you brought back interesting trash you had a chance to win a prize. Not everyone brought back something.
Prizes were also rewarded just for showing up. That’s pretty fair for a CITO event. The cleanup effort was an activity of the event.
Thing is, if an event has activities those activities should be fun. Everyone enjoys a chance to “win” and it adds to the fun of the activity.
Another example of an event activity with a prize. The “turkey shoot”. Some choose not to play so they are not eligible to win.
Another example, the night cache competition offers prizes for those who hide a cache and get voted the best. Some choose not to play so they are not eligible to win.
Should we allow everyone a chance at “winning” for those activities too even if they didn’t participate?
Perhaps we should make hunting perm caches an event activity then. Put raffle tickets (or a stamper? or a codeword for micros) in all the local perm caches in and surrounding a park. Would that make it more fair?
Sorta getting off-track here but I still think temp caches WITH prizes is a worthwhile activity at our WGA events.
And I will admit that, if a new cacher places a new cache, and it is ALSO a puzzle, I would hesitate to run very far for it!
Great post Jim!
My first cache placement was actually a puzzle. I still remember how paranoid I was of whether I put the puzzle together correctly and what the reaction would be to my new cache.
I urge the cache owner that started the original discussion that resulted in this subsequent discussion to keep at it. It sounds like the cache has been found. Place another and another and you will soon forget about all this. Place the kinds of caches you enjoy or want to place. If you place it, “they” will come find it.
To heck with keeping this thread on track. Everyone knows nothing good can come from a traditional vs puzzle debate thread.
IF the WGA doesn’t want Temps from events logged, why put them out and then give dredit for finding them???
Because everything is NOT about logging caches on geocaching.com.
Because temp caches are an event activity that many enjoy.
Because some people who attend do not care if they are finding a permanent cache or not (family members, children come to mind)
Because giving things away at events is fun!
Because finding a temp cache can be as rewarding or more than finding a permanent cache. Online log or not.
Because placing a temp cache can be as rewarding or more than placing a permanent cache. Not having to deal with Groundspeak volunteer reviewers is rewarding for some 😉 (sorry Dave & Becky)
Because temp cache hiding allows new cachers to hide caches in a group and learn.
Because hunting temp caches allows new cachers to hunt caches in a group and learn.
Because family’s enjoy the temp cache stamping!
Perhaps the enjoyment I received from participating in the hiding of and hunting of these temp caches this past year has “clouded my judgment”.
The argument that giving a prize for doing temp caches is penalizing someone who finds permanent caches instead is silly. Everyone chooses whether to attend an event. They choose which activities to participate in. They choose how social they want to be or anti-social.
I spoke to more than one other family at the Camp-out last year that were not WGA members that attended the event because they sort of like geocaching and the event was close. They all had a blast hunting the temp caches. They’re the kind of cacher that might not even log a permanent geocache online. They got to enjoy some quality cache hunts and had fun.
Permanent caches will be there the next time you visit that state park. Will the other event activities be there then?
If you’re so against the idea of temp cache placement solely because they can’t be logged online then so be it. There are many other people who feel differently.
Known fact. Place a traditional single stage cache and it will be found right away. Place any other type of cache and it may sit awhile.
I no longer have a notification setup on publishing of traditional caches. It makes it much easier to ignore them. I only get notified when new puzzle caches get published. I enjoy reading new puzzle cache ideas.
I was not at the picnic so I did not know additional tickets were given for temps. At the camp-out the temps were just an activity with nothing being gained by finding them.
I would like to see a nominal cost prize given to anyone who completes “x” number of temps placed. Turn in your card and receive something. Very simple “system” to run at an event. It might cost a little more than extra raffle tickets but there are some members and their families who do the temps and would like to take something home as a reminder. Perhaps we seek out a sponsor for this piece so it would still cost nothing.
Just a thought.
@jerrys dad wrote:
Why not just eliminate temps, make those that were temps actual caches, yes you would have to work with a reviewer, and then when over if it wasn’t a really good cache archive it or better yet make all really good caches and leave them active.
The BOD candidate thread has touched on a couple reasons why it’s important to keep the tradition of temp caches at the WGA events.
Just because some don’t enjoy finding them, there are hundreds of members who attend WGA events and everyone has differing preferences.
Temp caches are an activity at geocaching events. In most recent events, the location already had many permanent caches for everyone to find and many new permanent caches were placed in addition to the event temp caches.
I don’t see any issue with both of these existing.
Temp caches do not have the “permanence” or proximity issues that a permanent cache has. Containers do not have to stand up to the rigors of a permanent cache so therefore, this allows even more creativity on the part of the cache placer.
I do not need credit for every cache I find.
It’s just a game… rinse lather and repeat.
farce is just marc’s favorite word o’ the week…
I don’t see these ‘negative words’ being used in Lostby7’s original question. However, I will add a bit more to my response.
Again, it’s up to the cache owner to allow or not allow multiple found it logs and attended logs on their cache page. For WGA events, the cache owner is the WGA. The WGA has spoken that logging an attended log more than once is not permitted and this is clearly indicated on the event pages. Pretty black and white I think.
Marc, I can only assume you are asking about logging temps in general and whether I am for or against.
If the cache owner allows multiple logs and it’s in the spirit of what the owner intended, I will log a cache more than once. I have not done so for events but given certain circumstances, I might. I don’t view this as “cheating”.
My find count is my own business and yours is your own business. When you’ve found thousands (I haven’t yet but thousands sounds better than A thousand), what difference does it make if you log an event a few extra times or a cache a few extra times if the owner’s intentions are clear that this is allowed and perhaps even encouraged? Until Groundspeak blocks this, like you said marc it’s certainly not “cheating”.
Again, I would like to see an officially sanctioned method of logging event temp caches so that owners can post these as waypoints and event attendees can all see who found which temps and cachers can see their own overall find count including event temp caches. Perhaps if we lead the way by doing this on our own website for our events, Groundspeak will notice and implement something on their site.
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