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Headline: Reaching out and educating pays off
This is more on the placing side, but after seeing some questionable placements last night the CO contacted me for my very straightforward comments on the cache page. CO and I exchanged a couple of emails late last night and things are good. He archived 1 and is moving the other. Shame on me for jumping on him like I did, but thankfully we were able to “talk” and resolve things. He now has a better understanding of the other issues involved such as public perception and use of “public” property. Things really appear to have gone well and what a great chance to help educate a new cacher thats excited about hiding. No 4 letters words exchanged, no non-sunny places mentioned, but a very honest email exchange with a good outcome.
@sweetlife wrote:
We did get a few responses back, most of them telling us where to put it (and the sun does not shine there) others I did notice when they logged one of our caches the next time the log was at least a sentence long
I got the same response when trying to educate a noob on the etiquette regarding puzzles caches that have an optional ALR. “Screw You. Don’t F***ing tell me how to play the game. The only requirement is to sign the log.”
I guess if it went missing and the log sheet disappeared I could legimately delete the log though for failing to sign the log. 😉
Kudos to the reviewers and groundspeak for enforcing this. While I’m not handicapped myself I have read and heard about the frustration of those that are with a 1 star terrain.
A couple points of difference that I think apply are:
1) A challenge can’t be “Find 10 of CJ’s Caches”. The caches that apply to a challenge are supposed to be from any cacher.
2) A challenge fits an “auditable” criteria of some positive from a stats perspective. Examples: You can’t create a challenge based on DNF’s.Photo’s are an obvious “banned ALR” as stated directly in the guidelines.
I’ll pick on my one “Find 25 5/5” cache challenge. This is “positive” because it requires finding 25 unique caches. It’s auditable because I can look in the stats (providing they aren’t hidden) and see for myself (otherwise the user has to justify).
The challenge (no pun intended) is puzzle finals though. Examples: The zeroes to heroes series in Appleton – The final can be enforced as a challenge I believe because all the other caches in the series are owned by different people. The LW series in Menasha is owned by a single person and therefore the final can’t be enforced as a challenge where you must find all the other caches first.
@zuma wrote:
@CodeJunkie wrote:
Zuma – I’m hoping to do some of your challenge caches in the future. I guarantee you won’t get any TFTC logs from me.
Thanks, I appreciate that. And I expect most experienced cachers already understand when a TFTC is enough, and when something else is expected. The new people however, need a little education, along with a little tolerance.
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Agreed. I even reached out to a noob hider recently trying to provide some gentle guidance on some new caches that were placed. No response, so I’m not sure how they received it, but was trying to provide some insight from another CO’s perspective. They placed some cahces that won’t survive the first snowplowing, so I was trying to “warn” them ahead of time to spare them the headache of missing caches and the associated $$$ of replacing the purchased containers. I also expressed my thanks multiple time for willingly being a hider also because there aren’t as many hiders as finders. I approached it from an educational perspective so hopefully it was received that way.
Zuma – I’m hoping to do some of your challenge caches in the future. I guarantee you won’t get any TFTC logs from me.
@zuma wrote:
The ALR rules have nothing to do with paying the debt that cache finders owe to cache hiders.
WHOA. I totally disagree with this statement as I don’t agree that finders are indebted to hiders. If finders were indebted to us hiders Groundspeak would have implemented a micropayment scheme where finders would be charged for each find and a portion would be credited to the hider. My opinion, but the “mileage” of others may vary.
I, like most CO’s, appreciate a well written log. Over the years many of you fellow WGA members have also helped me over the hump about this though and I’m grateful for it. I used to get completely whipped out about these types of logs, but not anymore. I shrug it off and move on with my day. I didn’t use to be able to do this, but over time have come to realize that I can’t control the actions of others, so it doesn’t pay to sweat the small stuff.
I understand different cachers like different things and do things differently. I enjoy puzzles and sharing my experiences from the field. Others enjoy posting photos. Others enjoy being out with a group of friends and just log a TFTC. That’s the cool part about this sport that we can all enjoy it a bit differently.
I can’t control / change the actions of other cachers, but will speak for myself.
It’s not often that I don’t write at least a few lines (normally more) in my logs. I know the CO’s that receive these appreciate them, so I’ll continue to do my part. It’s just too bad that many of your caches aren’t in my neck of the woods.
As for the “rehide better”? What’s up with that? Why would someone do that? Shouldn’t it be rehid exactly as found? Rehiding better could easily change the D/T ratings on a cache, make the hint no longer apply, etc.
No offense, but I hope I’m not caching when I meet my maker.
If I do go while caching though, I hope it’s while I’m someplace deep in the woods experiencing nature as it should be experienced (i.e. not struck down by a car at a quick roadside P&G). My preference is that I’m alone, I go quickly & quietly, and that someone finds me before too long (i.e. I don’t want anyone to witness my passing which may make them feel like they didn’t do enough to save me).
I think I’d push them a bit. Ask them to explain how they were able to log a cache in their local area as well as here on the same day. That way you’re making them aware of the issue and giving them the option to do the right thing.
I just bypass them normally. I love puzzles and many times I drive/walk right past the traditionals. It’s not about the numbers for me, so I’m not concerned about these that I pass on the way.
Congratulations. Just a few days ago BBG was here for a milestone and now you. I am definately jealous.
WOW – I spent some time reading through the logs on this one. Definately not a P&G, but it sounds like a great cache for milestone. Congrats.
Sounds like you had quite the adventure. Congratulations on the milestone.
Loved the pictures, story, etc. This one has been on the “bucket list” for a while for me and this just reinforces why it’s there.
Congrats on 3K.
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