[Crazy4]

We never seem to ever go anywhere with the sole purpose of caching
but always try to combine caching with any trip we take. Most trips
are not planned but are spur of the moment when I don’t have work
to do. (Haven’t had a lot of those moments lately and the price of gas
seems to limit our tripping.) If we know we are going somewhere, I
pick out a few caches along our route that meet our criteria. Our goals
are always the same. Find caches at new, interesting, scenic places
that only a local person might know about and because we always
have a limited amount of time, caches that are “easy?” to locate.
Another goal we have is to AVOID caches that seem to be generic
hides or ones that seem to be deliberately made more difficult for
no apparent good reason. We are happy when we find as many as
6 caches in one day. If one or two of those are special, our goal
has been accomplished!

[Crazy4]

OK, In my attempt to give the background story, I wasn’t totally clear in what information I was asking for.
What we’re most concerned about is…..
A. the obscene nature of the message that was written on the logsheet for GCW6HJ (this is not our cache, it is about 10 miles from our vandalized cache.)

B. the fact that that message confirms that this same person actually admitted to vandalizing OUR cache by “pissing in it”, (confirming my already suspicious thoughts.)

C. the fact that someone found our cache without apparently realizing urine was the liquid they had reported within, (as indicated in their finder comment.)

D. the fact that they mentioned the names of two locally well known people, (admittedly NOT in a directly threatening manner.)

1. So, if someone is pissing in caches, do Geocachers want to be warned?
2. Should we notify local law enforcement? We had a local geocaching contest here in Rusk County last month that the county put on and there was some good publicity FOR geocaching and I now suspect some of their caches may have been tampered with also.
3. Our vandalized cache was at an old, almost abandoned cemetery out in the woods of the Blue Hills. I’m wondering if our situation is “possibly” connected to the grave robbing of the infant from the Pioneer Cemetery near Rice Lake last week. No comparison as far as seriousness, but just a possible “connection”. (I know, I’m paranoid! )
Thanks for your advice so far!
Crazy4 Team Leader

[Crazy4]

@Buy_The_Tie wrote:

@TS wrote:

I’ve never quite liked the way the required paragraph is structured, as it doesn’t transition from the cache description very smoothly. Although it makes perfect sense to an experienced cacher familiar with the lingo, it could misinterpreted by newcomers and those unfamiliar with the nuances of the English language to be part of instructions for seeking the cache.

Consider also that while the term “place” and it’s verb tenses have a specific meaning within the sport of geocaching, in the English language there are about thirty homonyms for these words. Perhaps “hiding” would be more clear.

I’ve modified the paragraph a bit for my caches: e.g. Black River Marsh

I know my code won’t work easily in various situations as the current paragraph does, and yes, I know that I’m nitpicking. I’m just bringing this up as a suggestion that we might consider clarifying the wording a bit.

TS

That is a great way to get the same message across. Unfortunately, it requires the use of HTML on the cache page, and not everybody is comfortable with that. Maybe we could provide an “HTML” version and a “non-HTML” version.

We’ll have to think about that.

I used the following html text for our cache page, GCY7XJ-Crazy4 Adventure? #5
and it should work for anyone if you paste it in at the bottom of your cache description. Just be sure to change the email address for the DNR land manager in your cache’s area. I’ve changed the wording suggested by WGA to make it more clear that this text is not part of the caches’ description. Make sure you check the “The descriptions below are in HTML” box when you submit your cache page.

As suggested by the Wisconsin Geocaching Association for
caches placed on WDNR managed land,

I’ve included the following information.

<a rel="nofollow" href=
“http://www.dnr.state.wi.us/org/land/parks/other/pdfs/form2500-118.pdf”&gt;
WDNR Geocache Notification Form 2500-118 has been submitted to
and approved by [email protected] of the Wisconsin
DNR, for this cache. Please note that any geocache placed on Wisconsin Department
of Natural Resouce managed lands requires permission by means of
this notification form. If you intend to place a cache on WDNR
managed lands, please print out a paper copy of the notification
form, fill in all required information, then submit it to the
respective land manager. The DNR Notification form 2500-118 and
land manager information can be obtained
at:http://www.dnr.state.wi.us/org/land/parks/other/geocache.html
<a rel="nofollow" href=
“http://www.dnr.state.wi.us/org/land/parks/other/geocache.html”>PAGE
LINK HERE. More information may be seen at the Wisconsin
Geocaching Association <a rel="nofollow" href=
“http://wi-geocaching.com/modules.php?name=Wiki&pagename=Hiding%20A%20Cache”&gt;
rules for hiding a cache.

[Crazy4]

@cheezehead wrote:

After talking to both the Hayward DNR and the NPS Office in Trego, I got a “YES” that the DNR would have no problem with it(I will if ya put it back there cuz it’s a 1/4 mile from my house and I want that spot! 😛 ) the NPS has no jurisdiction as that property is not theirs. As it was explained to me , the cache can not be placed in the high water mark of the river(It would be very hard to do anyways I believe.)So it is my understanding that the Hayward DNR would allow a cache at that location.
I did the leg work to get Eagle nest cache reinstated as that is also 1/4 mile from house.

You must understand thou. that the reviewed have to go by what info they have(like different maps and such ) and the reviewer had contacted NPS to get their approval for the cache after he disabled the cache. That is there job.
The reviewers are not from this area so they do not always know the details of a piece of property and have to go with what they have.

Go ahead cheezehead! Cache the landing! 🙂 A good spot for a micro above flood stage is in the trees on the shore on the northern edge. That’s where we had ours. I had tried to contact the DNR for their permission at the time we hid it, but they were always closed. We had never heard of the National Scenic Riverway restriction until then so we were a little miffed our cache got archived automatically. This spot is so nice I’m sorry I didn’t put more effort into getting it approved. 🙁 Do you plan on submitting the form 2500-118? You can use my html code if you’d like. Thanks again for your help on our Eagle Nest/Cache Nest! 😀

[Crazy4]

@cheezehead wrote:

I dropped of 2 notification forms today to the local DNR office. I talked to the Property Manager for about an hour. I found out that he and his son also caches,thou he just hunts for them and does not log anything.

He thought that the 2 spots I had chosen were great locations.
He also told me that he had tried to get the ball rolling on the DNR Policy before the was a policy so there would be no problems in the future.

He also pointed out some new location that woulds be a good spot for a cache. I asked him about a canoe landing that is owned by the DNR on the Namekagon River(which is part of the NPS Scenic River way).

He stated that the NPS would have no authority of the landing and that he would have no problem if a cache was placed at the landing, but I should check with the NPS just to get a clarification. I asked him this because a cache was just archived because it was also on the river way,but on a city park. Does anyone know of anything about this policy, as in caches being placed on public property adjoining the scenic river way?

Howdy cheezehead! If this is the canoe landing/wayside across from the ranger station in Hayward, we put a cache there but it wasn’t approved and we had to archive it and remove it “immediately” because ” It was on the National Scenic Riverway”. We had done this shortly after we placed our Eagle Nest/Cache Nest one which also turned out to be on the National Scenic Riverway but at a public park, which turned out to be OK. It’s my opinion that a cache could be placed at this canoe landing if the DNR had no problem with it.
Two of our newest caches are on DNR property and we submitted form 2500-118 via email and had them signed and approved after a short delay. (first time this particular DNR person got a caching request) Check out cache Slough Gundy GC18E2 for the additional text we had to add to our cache description. Team Crazy4 leader.

[Crazy4]

We just adopted a cache near us, GCGJT9 Blue Hills Devil’s Kettle, that had been reported wet and damaged for quite a while. We are trying to adopt another cache where the owner has not been active in 4 years and the cache has been broken and wet for over a year now. Both caches are in our area and are unusually scenic places that geocachers really appreciate seeing. We feel we can improve, maintain and continue these caches, that have, for one reason or another, deteriorated to the point where they no longer provide a quality find that is commensurate with their location. If others would follow our example, many archived or abandoned caches could be saved.

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[Crazy4]

Drilling into DEAD wood to make a place to hide a small microcache doesn’t bother me at all. Two of our better finds were done like that. It made it even more of a fun challenge as we were expecting and looking for the regular type of hide and actually walked on a cache several times before we took a real close look and finally saw it. The second cache done like this was by the same person so we had a better idea what to search for. It seems to be an ideal way to blend a cache in with it’s surroundings and keep muggles from stumbling on it. If done responsibly and with concern about the ecology, this method seems perfectly legitimate.

[Crazy4]

Anyone who enjoyed reading about this geocaching book might also like to check the adventures of Team Crazy4 at…. http://homepage.mac.com/amacoy/geocache/cachealbum.html

[Crazy4]

Howdy yuppers.
I posted a similar question a while back at topic http://wi-geocaching.com/forums/Forum8/HTML/000904.html
but didn’t get any replies. Maybe you will have better luck? 🙂
Maybe we should be asking for volunteers to go to the Flambeau Mine open house September 10? They are interested in having a geocaching seminar/experiential event, or booth. Because of my work schedule, I can’t commit to doing this, but maybe someone here could do it.

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[Crazy4]

This sounds like an answer to my topic on how to promote geocaching locally at http://wi-geocaching.com/forums/Forum8/HTML/000904.html

[Crazy4]

quote:

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Originally posted by Buy_The_Tie:
That’s weird…

I read the article this morning, then when I went to look at it later, it wanted me to sign up (which I didn’t). Weird.

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jsonline put a cookie on your computer so that when you went back the second time you couldn’t read the article again without signing up. Just delete your cookies and/or tell your browser not to accept them. I had the same problem and I did this and it worked.

[Crazy4]

I, Crazy4 team leader, have additional information and have added it to our missing caches’ page at GCK8WA-Launching at Hatch Landing. The game’s afoot! Lay on, McDuff! Never give up, never surrender!

[Crazy4]

Thanks for the offer Cathunter! I’ve made a map of the area where it is said to be, go here to look (http://homepage.mac.com/amacoy/geocache/hatch2.jpg)
You could launch at Flater’s Resort or you could launch from Hatch Landing, where our cache was, about 4 miles upstream. We have had a lot of rain lately, I think the river is high.

[Crazy4]

All our new caches that we had made “members only” have now been changed to regular caches. One of the reasons I thought we should become paid members was that we would have access to more caches (i.e.- members only) in our area. Turns out there are almost no other “members only” caches in the whole state. The fact that our new caches were “invisible” to most people really defeats the purpose of putting them out there. Most of our MO caches were placed a month or more with no finders. I feel “members only” is an interesting concept but make little sense, at least for us. Has anyone else tried making “members only” caches and been satisfied with the results? This is probably a different topic, but at the moment, I’m pondering why all geocaching.com users shouldn’t be required to become paying members to use the service.

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[Crazy4]

Howdy RangerBoy!
I explained just about everything I know about the audit log in my previous post. Don’t think I left anything out. If you send in your money and become a paid member it is a feature that becomes available to you when you make a new cache. You’re allowed to designate it “Members Only.” A Members Only designation makes your cache unavailable to “members” (geocachers who have not yet become paid subscribers to geocaching.com) and only available to “Premium Members” (geocachers who have paid $30 to geocaching.com) If you want your caches to be found, it seems to me to be a distinct disadvantage to make them Members Only, especially if you live in an area with very few paid members. Did I make that clear as mud? Oh well.

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