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Ohhhh – rockin’ cool! Thanks, Brian! I don’t typically use that page when searching but I see what you mean. It’s SOMETHING anyway 🙂 Thanks for the tip!
PS, I like your new avatar 🙂
Zuma, you come around to an excellent point which started this thread and which is a concern about what is a threat to the game.
Personally, I don’t think lazy loggers are a “threat” to the longevity of the sport, but can certainly make it annoying / boring for those that are more willing to invest some time, care, and typing when logging a find.
But the situation you pointed out, Zuma, is a real threat to the sport. We already have enough trouble with caches being mistaken for malicious containers / bombs, we don’t need caches / cachers that are clearly making unwise choices in their placement. Calling them out on it is vital to the health of the sport. If bad (if not illegal) placement happens often enough, pretty soon things will either become very difficult for the geocaching community, or downright impossible.
This sort of goes along with my opinion that cache density is also a threat to the sport. Brian, you made a point that density is attractive and I totally agree – it’s much more fun to park once and get 5 caches than it is to drive 20 miles to get 5 caches, especially with higher fuel prices. And to a certain point, that can be very healthy for the sport. But when cache density begins to cause COs to start making poor choices in placement because the good spots are “running out” (which I think is hogwash anyway) then the general community begins to understand the game as being careless and sloppy and disrespectful of public (even private) property. People will not tolerate having their towns “trashed” by geocachers. I consider that to be a big threat – to which my reply is – more is not necessarily better.
“More” can be fun because we rack up the smileys (hey, I’ve been there and still enjoy a 50+ day!) but we have to be smart and realize the line between “More” and “too much”. “Too Much” is when less creative people begin to place caches in area with heavy traffic, high visibility at any time of day, on landmarks, postal boxes, electrical boxes and things that people have no business poking around.
Yes, when density happens, we are forced to be more creative about or locations, containers, etc, but there ARE places left. Getting lazy and hiding a cache in a guardrail on a highway bridge with no shoulders is not a good idea, no matter how many caches are in the area. Climbing on brides in view of a highway where cops patrol is not a good idea. (Right, Z?)
The other negative thing that happens when there’s too many caches and “muggles” become aware of what’s going on is that caches are vandalized, which is not fun for anybody. It frustrates the owner and anyone looking for the cache.
In summation, my position is that cache density becomes a threat to the game when people start making poor choices and when the general community becomes too aware of what’s going on around them causing them either to have a negative opinion of the game or to vandalize caches.
I suppose it could be argued that it’s not the density itself but rather the poor choices made by COs, but since were dealing with many illiterate people who can’t string 4 words together to make a sentence (right, Z?), we have to face the fact that density contributes to that poor decision making.
PS, Z, you crack me up! 🙂 Can I have your autograph!?
I am very interested! Especially since I’ve got some Delorme pages and counties to get to down in that corner of the state! June is the earliest we’d be able to look at participating as well. Don’t know if my wife would be interested or not. Doesn’t sound like a good adventure for the kids but she may like to come and do something else to pass the time.
Yes – this looks like a truly worthy geocache 🙂
@benny7210 wrote:
Also you’ll notice that the default map link goes to the beta maps. This is intentional since the older maps are pretty aggressively hitting the database, while the new maps don’t.”
It doesn’t look like the new maps hit the database at ALL given the fact that it doesn’t return any caches. Actually it’s been off and on but last time I went out there it wouldn’t pull back ANYTHING. I’d love the new maps if they worked – or if it didn’t use the exact same color of green for trad caches as google maps uses for park areas. When the tiny green icon shows up in a park you can’t hardly see it. Also don’t like the way it groups caches into color groups.
But even with that I wouldn’t complain if they worked 🙂 The site just behaves like the DB is getting pounded. It’s probably all those people running GPS files so they can use their OWN maps. 😉 (Wish I was one of them)
Wow! way to go guys! so glad for both of you 🙂
Looks like fun! But I’m a puzzle idiot so I’d need to look for a partner or 2 to tackle this one 🙂
Oh, and take alot of bug spray too! There were some wet areas that really helped the bug population. You might want shoes that you don’t mind getting wet too – as I recall there were some soft squishy areas 🙂
Some friends and I hit that trail last Memorial Day Weekend. It was fun. Some of the caches were challenging. It was HOT! bring lots of water if you’re walking. 🙂 There were a few we missed and some we didn’t get to. I wish I could join you. You’ll have a good time.
So it looks like this site is up and running now and there’s even some familiar names who have hidden caches in WI. Now that it’s up, what do you think (people who have used it for hiding or finding)?
PS – there’s no sign of the creepy beaver.
I have a suggestion but it’s probably not worth the effort unless this is something you do frequently. I use a screen capture tool called Jing (http://www.techsmith.com/download/trials.asp). It’s very handy and lets you share via the internet, paste into e-mails, etc. it saves a history of your captured images. The same site has something called Snagit which I use at work alot and has even more features, but probably too many. Jing lets you add arrows, boxes, text, etc.
But again, Jing is probably overkill if this is not something you do on a regular basis. But in case anyone else finds interest…. I thought I’d mention it 🙂
@Team Black-Cat wrote:
Yes the address will remain the same, and yes the look and feel will be the same. There may be some cosmetic changes, but all of the familiar features will be the same.
Considering the traffic this site gets and the resources used, we don’t exactly fit into the $9.95 per month bracket. If we went that route, the site would be unbearably slow, or we would get booted off in a week. $49 is actually pretty inexpensive.
Hostgator is fantastic. I use them for a couple sites and have never been disappointed or had a problem. And $50/mo for a dedicated server is great -and virtual servers have some nice perks! The decision will serve this site well!
If “authorities” ever do find a small ticking black box with blinking red lights near a school they’ll probably just throw it in the garbage can saying “Nah – bombers are using ponies now ‘days. This must be a toy that some kid left behind at school.
Good point, Doug. It also sounds like it would be analogous to having to visit several websites from the cache page to obtain information to determine the final location. With that situation it more clearly fits the category of puzzle/unknown.
Congratulations, Pete! Great milestone 🙂
Tried again and the same thing happened… then I tried in a different browser and it worked fine. Weird.
Thanks for the info 🙂
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