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I also bet that 99% of geocaching treks are less than an hour. Geocachers aren’t lighting campfires, setting up tents, digging “catholes,” and so forth…
On the Left Side of the Road...05/12/2008 at 12:55 pm in reply to: Backpacker Mag: Does geocaching violate Leave No Trace? #1889064Every time you go caching you leave a trace. Maybe you bent a dogwood branch, stepped on an ant, or needed to use the port-a-tree. Even virtual caches leave a trace–in the process of making the journey to observe, we’re either traveling well-worn paths or making new ones. And, as someone on the backpacking forum so rightly said, a trail is a pretty big “trace!”
If you read the “leave no trace” guidelines, I would argue that, except for the cache container left behind (which, by virtue of being hidden, is not something that’s going to disturb the experience of anyone, unlike trail litter), geocachers follow LNT guidelines as a matter of written guideline or good practice. And heck, we do some of them without being told, such as “Use a map and compass to eliminate the use of marking paint, rock cairns or flagging.” We don’t need to leave a bread crumb trail to get us back out of the woods, we have a GPSr!!!
I am sick and tired of self-righteous enviro-weenies like this Backpacker magazine clown spewing this garbage disguised as political correctness, trying to make us all feel guilty just for being alive. Who made him the arbiter of the outdoors?
We’ve been given the responsibility to be good stewards of the land. That does not mean we are forbidden from using it.
On the Left Side of the Road...Possible he/she had a digit in the tracking number wrong somehow? Hard to believe someone who had never found the TB before would have gotten the number.
On the Left Side of the Road...Ours tends to say either “Low Batt” or “Position Lost.”
On the Left Side of the Road...So does this clear up things like the “Hot Wheels Trader” cache issue? Or does it still have to be the “Die Cast Toy Car Trader”?
On the Left Side of the Road...05/07/2008 at 8:06 pm in reply to: Discussion of not logging temps, starting with this event #1888677Regarding the “Why does a 5 count the same as a 1” question, that’s why we like to use a program like CacheStats so we can keep track of difficulty/terrain ratings. Just another dimension we find interesting.
Yes, the smileys count the same between them, but smileys really count for nothing in the scheme of things anyway, so as long as there are ways to keep track of stats and memories in the game that is meaningful to us that’s all we’re looking for. We do actually look back at caches and logs on occasion for a trip down memory lane or to see what’s up.
Oh, and here’s time for my shameless letterboxing plug, so you can quit reading now. The bonus there is you end up with an illustrated journal over time, which lasts longer than most swag you’d trade for.
So bottom line is, keep stats–or not–in whatever way makes you happy. Which is why this whole issue with temps is so asinine.
But, I can understand why the BOD took a stance on it, given the fact that meddling malcontents from surrounding states looked down their upturned noses at the WGA because of it.
On the Left Side of the Road...05/07/2008 at 1:13 pm in reply to: Discussion of not logging temps, starting with this event #1888673@Ostracon wrote:
I see my geocaching.com stats as a personal log book and not a public boast of my find count.
This is the best, most succinct, and most complete argument supporting the practice of being able to log every cache you find using your GPSr…I never did understand why the “anti-temp-logging” people cared a whit about what other people did. Quit nosing into other people’s stats, step away from your PC, and get out and cache.
On the Left Side of the Road...@CacheARRRS wrote:
back in my day we had to chisel our posts in stone then go hang them down by the watering hole…
Those can still be published on Big Bob’s Big Bulletin Board O’ Caches.
http://cachinbob.proboards66.com/index.cgi?
On the Left Side of the Road...Is there any “do it all” device that’s worth considering?
I know there are GPSrs that have a camera now…that would be handy and it’s probably time to update the Lowrance iFinder (after being recently told by another geocacher, ‘Oh, I remember using one of those!’)
Anyway, some sort of GPS/camera/organizer type device?
Come to think of it, my cell phone is pretty legacy too…hmmm.
On the Left Side of the Road...@tyedyeskyguy wrote:
The human brain has incredible storage capacity, and comes in a nice carrying case that’s hard to lose, try using it instead of tech.
Ya but my now-40-year-old brain can’t keep track of all the details on the hundreds of little waypoints on the GPSr…let alone convert ROT13 clues from memory…
On the Left Side of the Road...05/06/2008 at 1:45 am in reply to: Discussion of not logging temps, starting with this event #1888661@CacheARRRS wrote:
What fun is keeping score if we all play by different rules?
The main difference here is it’s not a contest with other cachers, INABTN notwithstanding. It’s not a score, just stats of the number of pieces of tupperware you found using a billion-dollar satellite network. No prizes, no rewards, and so far no one has found a way to turn this into a profession. [Geocaching as a spectator sport…well that would be about as entertaining as watching Scrabble. “He’s in the tree…no, he’s in the shrub…now he’s looking under a rock…Oh no! He fell in the creek!]
Your stats are for your own bemusement. And we kinda liked keeping track of the 20 different, challenging, and in some cases miles-apart hides at the Navarino event that we took two days to find.
But…that gets us back to square one with this whole logging/not-logging thing, and the decision has already been made when it comes to WGA events. This will undoubtedly impact all other events as well.
On the Left Side of the Road...05/05/2008 at 8:24 pm in reply to: Discussion of not logging temps, starting with this event #1888657When we got started in geocaching, it was about the fun of the hunt, getting outdoors with the family, and the camaraderie of caching with and meeting friends.
The numbers are nice too and it’s fun to see them go up. Which is one reason we like (liked?) logging temps. But stats are meaningless, there are no prizes, and I won’t be chiseling my find count into my tombstone.
In other words, we don’t base our decision on when, where, or with whom to geocache on the number of smilelys we get.
Maybe there’s a point after 000s of caches that it becomes about that, I don’t know. But if it ever does for our family “team,” we vow to quit geocaching because it will have lost all real meaning.
On the Left Side of the Road...05/05/2008 at 2:22 am in reply to: Discussion of not logging temps, starting with this event #1888637While I am disappointed w/the decision, I will defend the BOD’s process here. They took a vote, an overwhelming number of respondents voted one way, and proponents of multi logging (including me) lost. It wasn’t voted on in secret. People have to take the time to stay informed or not complain about the outcome. Time to move forward.
On the Left Side of the Road...05/04/2008 at 2:50 am in reply to: Discussion of not logging temps, starting with this event #1888626@cheezehead wrote:
Place the caches, have them published the day of the event(Cuz there will be a Wi Reviewer there I bet!) and then the day after the event you achieve them.
Now that is absolutely brilliant!!! And much better than my idea of creating a 100-micro multicache with loggable stages 6 inches apart…
On the Left Side of the Road...05/04/2008 at 12:20 am in reply to: Discussion of not logging temps, starting with this event #1888623Point well taken as it is a WGA event and not a WGA BOD event. Or any other acronyms I can think of.
I still say what would have solved this whole mess was a simple edit on gc.com’s part…it also would have assuaged those who argued that multiple logging wastes space on the sever 🙄
Hopefully posting the “multi logging discouraged/disallowed” or whatever on the cache page is enough to avoid post-event problems…although my experience is that people don’t take time to read important stuff on cache pages.
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