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05/03/2008 at 11:43 pm in reply to: Discussion of not logging temps, starting with this event #1888620
@QwertyToo wrote:
The majority of members, a whopping 85%, didn’t vote on the issue at all…Please don’t say that a majority of members voted for something when that is clearly not the case.
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That means the non-voters have no basis for griping about it now that a decision has been made. Maybe if 100% of the population had voted in the 2004 election Walt Brown would have been president. But they didn’t, and we say that a majority voted for Pres. Bush…
On the Left Side of the Road...05/03/2008 at 11:38 pm in reply to: Discussion of not logging temps, starting with this event #1888619No problem with this. The BOD, as the “owner” of this cache event, can decide what to do with it regarding logging. No different than it always was. If people come to a WGA event and log multiple “attended” for each cache, they’ll still be able to–because gc.com hasn’t put a simple “if-then” edit in the system to disallow it–and the WGA as the owner of the event can decide whether and how to monitor the logs.
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AAAAAAAAAAWN………………….On the Left Side of the Road...@CacheARRRS wrote:
it WAS voted on by the board and camp-out committee, and won’t those people be leading the charge for the logo change ANYWAY??
You’ve just made my point. When the logo contest was announced, it said:
“After the 30 day period of accepting proposals, voting will commence and last for 14 days, to narrow the field of proposals to 3 contenders.”
This voting has not happened even though the deadline for proposals passed. However, it appears to the average observer that the BOD has voted on the logo by action. And that was not the way the logo contest was laid out.
I don’t have a horse in the logo race, I’m not going to the WGA campout, and frankly I don’t care that much about the logo issue itself one way or another, so I’ll just bow out of the discussion.
On the Left Side of the Road...Not to pile on here, but I will lend my support to s|s’s position here. I work in the PR business and, having worked on branding campaigns, this one has me scratching my head.
Now, I don’t know what other shirts in past campouts have looked like, but that’s not really the point.
Here we have an ongoing logo campaign/contest. We take an entry from that contest, and stick it on a shirt. Not only do we NOT put the current, approved WGA logo anywhere on the shirt, but we put “Wisconsin Geocaching Association” underneath the un-voted-on logo.
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and sounds like a duck…
The best I can draw is a stick man but I know how hard the various graphic artists must have worked to put all the entries together. This is a tremendous disservice to them.
On the Left Side of the Road...@SammyClaws wrote:
To play the devils advocate here, if temps were recognized, how do you regulate them? What would stop someone from sitting at a table and say there are 5 caches right here for you to log.
My point is that temp caches apparently are “recognized” in CITO events. Someone correct me here if I’m wrong. Do CITO temps have to be published and meet the regular guidelines? If not, there is a huge lack of consistency.
Second, there’s nothing right now stopping someone from setting up a 100-stage, published multi with micro caches 10 feet apart in a park and saying you can claim a find for each “stage,” as is a practice on some multis. And remember, the owner controls the logging requirements (supposedly). Multi-logging of published caches is permitted (albeit “discouraged”).
Yes, it’s an extreme example, but since we’re playing devil’s advocate…
On the Left Side of the Road...More likely the campout committee and BOD has made the “g” logo the new de facto logo by action…
On the Left Side of the Road...@ecorangers wrote:
WE are logging Temp. finds and groundspeak has NOT prevented us from doing so!!!! Tami
Problem is you can’t log them as finds, you have to log them as multiple “attended.” Right? Which works for making your find count go up if it matters to you (as it does to us), but sure looks goofy on the detailed stats column.
It makes no sense to see that you’ve “attended” 000s of events when the true number is obviously a fraction of that.
Regardless of what side of the issue you’re on, these should be handled consistently among cache and event types rather than requiring an end-run to get a smiley.
Second point, which is a question. WHY does groundspeak allow logging “found its” at CITO events? I’m assuming for temp caches, but one of the big arguments of temp-cache-logging-detractors is that “they don’t have meet published cache guidelines.” Do CITO temp caches have to? If not, again it is an issue of consistency.
On the Left Side of the Road...@Trudy & the beast wrote:
Groundspeak has taken a position, leave it in hands of the cache owners.
Yeah, but the problem is…not really. CITO events log different than “regular” events; i.e., you can only log multiple “finds” of temp caches at a CITO event, whereas you have to log multiple “attended” at a regular caching event. Unless I am wrong on this.
So then the ridicule that out-of-staters levy (not that I care) is, “Holy cow, did you see XYZ “attended” 100 events!”
So I think KOrpl’s point, and he can correct me on this, is that groundspeak should treat these the same; that’s the “decision.” Since they’ve decided not to, people who like to see their find counts go up for each cache they find (like we do), temp or otherwise, have to go through that end-around.
On the Left Side of the Road...Oh duh, coords ARE integral to the hunt. Didn’t let the gif age long enough. Pardon my blonde moment.
On the Left Side of the Road...Scratch that…I wouldn’t be allowed to publish this as a letterbox because a letterbox must “involve GPS use as an integral part of the hunt. A letterbox hybrid cannot be designed to be found using only clues.” And posting parking coordinates only have been deemed as “not integral to the hunt.”
So that makes this puzzle a….puzzle. Man, my head hurts.
On the Left Side of the Road...I call this puzzle a “letterbox.”
On the Left Side of the Road...Is the big “g” logo the new logo/winner as well, or is this just for the shirt? Just curious.
On the Left Side of the Road...For Earth Day, I have gassed up the SUV and drove all over the countryside searching for rubbish…I mean, camouflaged, non biodegradable containers…that people have scattered over the countryside. But I left them there when I found them.
On the Left Side of the Road...Ours is called This %*$&#&% Thing!!!!!
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