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I have read this entire thread and have no idea what the heck is going on. Oh well, not the first time that’s happened.
On the Left Side of the Road...@GetMeOutdoors wrote:
@gotta run wrote:
I find most roadside p&c caches at 55 to 65 mph, and often from a mile or two away. It’s how I like to clear those pesky icons from my “nearest to” map.
Get with the times, GR, use Google Earth Street View like all the “pros”. You save gas AND the environment 😛
That’s a great idea, and it would be equally as memorable. Thanks for the tip!
On the Left Side of the Road...I find most roadside p&c caches at 55 to 65 mph, and often from a mile or two away. It’s how I like to clear those pesky icons from my “nearest to” map.
On the Left Side of the Road...@LMcGisme wrote:
I agree – why crosslist caches?
Broader audience?
Different audience? (i.e., LB hybrid cross-published)
Many reasons.
Go ahead and claim the FTF anyway. Doesn’t matter if you do. You were the first to find after publication on gc.com.
On the Left Side of the Road...Heck, I don’t sign logs any more…it’s not how I want to play and it doesn’t bother anybody. It’s just a game…or a hobby…
On the Left Side of the Road...On further reflection, why do I even care? As long as the reviewers publish a cache, that’s the only measure that matters. Anything that the DOT or anybody would do won’t affect the way I hide or find caches in the least. And what I do in my own pursuit of the hobby should be all that I’m concerned about. Best to just keep the blinders on to everything else.
So, never mind.
On the Left Side of the Road...zuma, it’s obvious you either didn’t read what I wrote on the first page of this thread or are simply choosing to ignore it.
I had thought that one of our objectives as an association was to discuss and be concerned with issues that affect or potentially affect the hobby. To dismiss that as “sign and whine” isn’t helpful, particularly coming from a WGA officer.
On the Left Side of the Road...@Mister Greenthumb wrote:
It’s obvious that if this happens we’ll know whose house to egg and tp.
And who’s would that be?
On the Left Side of the Road...Well, perhaps they’re already aware of it and simply don’t care and never will.
Then again we all just assumed rest area caches were A-OK, but when they found out about them they demanded they all be archived.
I predict that at some point, “someone” in the DOT is going to become aware of this as these types of hides become more and more commonplace, and it’s not going to be pretty, given their position on geocaching on other DOT property.
On the Left Side of the Road...zuma, do you have an opinion on the topic of the thread itself, particularly because you were heavily involved a few years ago in trying to get the DOT to change their policies?
Some background on how the DOT views geocaching:
@greyhounder wrote:
From the website:
The Wisconsin Department of Transportation, for safety and operational reasons,
discourages citizens from using any WisDOT site for geocaching purposes. Any
“cache” found by site staff will be disposed of promptlyThis includes Park & Ride lots owned by the DOT.
Here’s you quoting DOT rep Bob Spoerl in February of last year:
@zuma wrote:While we appreciate that the use you are suggesting may be relatively innocuous, there are many similar activities that could likewise seek accommodation as legitimate uses of safety rest areas. The department routinely denies use of safety rest areas for private purposes. There are other more appropriate locations for activities that are not part of the public purpose for safety rest areas. As is the case with other similar activities, the geocaching activity does not depend on use of safety rest areas and there are more suitable options for the activity. Safety and security are an important concern in managing these facilities. The department does not support placement of unknown containers that could be reported as potential hazards, and is not in a position to permit or selectively allow special uses of the safety rest areas. The department does not see the geocaching activity as compatible with the function of these sites and the efficient management of the facilities.
Based on this policy and the responses, what do you think the DOT would think about this topic?
If you think the DOT is eventually going to find out and put a stop to these, do we as an association care?
If you think based on your experience with the DOT that they will be fine with it, perhaps this could be a new line of argument the WGA can use with the DOT to allow caches in rest areas, by pointing out that there are already thousands of geocaches in DOT-owned signs, guardrails, and so on?
For those who weren’t part of the discussion 1-2 years ago, here are some threads for reference to the general DOT topic:
http://wi-geocaching.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=10601
http://wi-geocaching.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=12433
http://wi-geocaching.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=12230
http://wi-geocaching.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=10401On the Left Side of the Road...@zuma wrote:
Not every cache is for every body. Get the ones you like, and quite complaining about the ones you dont like.
z
That is not the point of this thread, and I think you know that.
On the Left Side of the Road...I’m not sure what signs are DOT property and what ones are not (city, village, etc.).
If I recall correctly, one of the reasons the DOT does not allow caches at rest areas in WI is because of the hazard factor. I’m not sure what they would consider the hazard factor of a guard rail off a busy state highway or a sign along a road sign or at an intersection, particularly when there is little to no shoulder.
On the Left Side of the Road...Not all P&G caches are shoulder-side or road-sign hides. Neither are those types of hides unique to any particular player.
But here are the facts. When we started playing back in the Dark Ages, those hides were rare. It was just a year or two ago that I recall a new hide that was a film can lying on the ground at the base of a stop sign at a busy intersection and I was surprised that was even allowed.
This is not whether you like those types of hides or not. This is about whether those types of hides are allowable, or a good idea, or what the consequences of those types of hides might be. In full disclosure, we have placed a few sign hides ourselves.
But as these hides proliferate–and I think it’s fair to characterize them as proliferating–and become the rule, rather than the exception, of what a geocache “is,” what will the consequences be, if any?
On the Left Side of the Road...PLEASE DO NOT DERAIL THIS INTO ANOTHER P&G THREAD.
PLEASE DO NOT DERAIL THIS INTO A THREAD THAT CRITICIZES PARTICULAR CACHERS.
I mentioned neither in my original question.
On the Left Side of the Road...@beccaday wrote:
I’m really not sure that what was done last night to the cacher that has been alluded to but not named was really the best way to handle things. I’m pretty sure I’d be bawling like a baby if someone so publicly humiliated me. While I can understand the frustration of the cachers who worry about these things, was this really the best way to handle the situation?
What? 😕
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