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@labrat_wr wrote:
**WARNING** **DANGER**
before posting in this thread, please review the TOU
4(a)(j)everyone is entitled to opinion but TOU violations will not be tolerated.
Gee, that warning to others might have been nice a while back…but I digress. I am not going to complain about the double standard…
If the PTB don’t like what I post then pull my membership. The more this community tries to dance around the issue with “oh, it’s all ok, just play the game however you want it,” the more it simply enables stuff like this that is clearly detrimental to the game.
We clearly have a case here where someone is being told by the game playing community that these hides are a terrible idea, but that he doesn’t give a whit. That makes him an ass. I call it the way I see it.
On the Left Side of the Road...We have enough problems with this game when we play by the rules…arrests, bomb squad calls, you name it. We do not need to exacerbate the situation by placing caches on what is de facto, if not actual, private property.
You need to respect people’s rights, or you need to quit playing, period.
Apparently reviewers are unable or unwilling to stop publishing this crap. I encourage anyone who finds these caches in the easement to remove them and throw them away. I know I sure would. Perhaps it is already happening.
On the Left Side of the Road...Then you have no respect for the game and are a complete ass.
On the Left Side of the Road...@Hardinfam wrote:
If the cache neighbor doesn’t like it on the public land called a terrace then I will remove them, but not if another cacher is upset with me.
Listen carefully because I don’t want to repeat myself…
YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO PLACE A CACHE IN SOMEONE’S FRONT YARD. A PUBLIC EASEMENT DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO USE THIS PROPERTY FOR WHATEVER THE HECK YOU FEEL LIKE. IF YOU THINK OTHERWISE YOU ARE WRONG AND YOU NEED TO EDUCATE YOURSELF, NOW.
Hopefully that is clear enough for you.
On the Left Side of the Road...Go back and read the initial post. This refers to caches in people’s front yards.
There is a place for park and grabs in this game and we’ve placed some ourselves. But that place is not in the easement in front of someone’s house.
On the Left Side of the Road...@CodeJunkie wrote:
It still ceases to amaze me that everyone feels the need to cram everything into an urban environment instead of exploring the great outdoors. There is so much untapped DNR land available it’s not funny. Oh I forgot – nobody wants to walk more the 20′ for a cache.
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Did anybody get into this game because they wanted to pull film strip cans from guard rails or search for nano caches in the knot holes of electrical poles in the easements of people’s front yards? If so, you really need to get out more…
We shouldn’t even be talking about whether or not something is private or public and how fine a line we can draw on a map to get something in place. As CJ says, go find a spot in the great outdoors, or go find a park that’s clearly marked. Heck, I drove by a park in Green Bay yesterday that as far as I can tell has NEVER had a cache in it.
Yes, this has always been a game that has “something for everybody” and a lot of this discussion drags up the whole “quantity vs. quality” issue. But the ONLY thing that can possibly motivate someone to want to cram a cache every 527 feet in an urban environment is the desire for numbers. And what do those numbers mean? Nothing.
Go back and look at your own finds in your profile. Which caches do you remember? And which ones do you not even remember being at because you simply had your head stuck in another cedar tree?
Some day, whether you have 100 or 10,000 finds today, you’re not going to care a whit about your “accomplishment.” Since this game is technology based, the technology will change. Handheld GPSrs will evolve. Who knows what we’ll have access to in 10, 20, 30 years.
Heck, if the Frog decides to pull the site, what then? All our stuff lives in the ether.
So do the geo-community a favor. Go find a nice spot to put a cache, and if there’s a question about whether it’s nice, or even public, look elsewhere.
Sometimes less is more.
On the Left Side of the Road...The problem with the programming-juggling analogy here is the ability to see what you are getting before you pay for it. Having used c:geo, I would pay for it. But the key is I have used it first.
If you juggle, I can probably get to see what you do before I decide to hire you.
In contrast, there are tons of apps I won’t consider for my iPad because I don’t know if I will like them and if I buy them I am stuck with them. I have only the reviews to go by. Most do not have a “use for free for a while” option.
Regarding quality, yeah there are crappy apps and crappy programmers out there. Same is true in any industry. In my industry there are copywriters who will write for pennies a word because they suck, and they end up leaving the business bemoaning how no one appreciates their talents. But the truth is that if you are good at what you do you can make a good living at it, and I’m not even in a union! 😛
On the Left Side of the Road...Still on the groundspeak verboten list, I assume? (Not that I care)
On the Left Side of the Road...This would be about as meaningless as your average Nobel prize has been in recent years…
On the Left Side of the Road...On the other hand, some EC owners are not good at responding either. Sometimes we just don’t know if our answer is “right,” or we’re taking our educated & researched guess not being geologists, or whatever. And I’ve sent along questions with responses, “We think it’s ABC, not sure, can you let us know?,” and it goes into a black hole of email.
On the Left Side of the Road...@Team Deejay wrote:
We are explicitly instructed not to consider the “quality” of hides, as this considered to be “not objective”.
Yes, and this is precisely the problem, and why these types of craptastic caches continue to happen. This is not your fault, this is groundspeak’s fault because they set the directives, and they are trying to have it both ways.
On the Left Side of the Road...I put part of the blame for this on the reviewer system (not individual reviewers). Groundspeak likes to have it both ways–reviewers to look at caches so they have control over the game, but then the disclaimer that they are just a bulletin board service and have no liability for cache placements.
But unfortunately, reviewers have, or seem to have, no real power when it comes to making decisions to improve the quality of the game. Yes, it’s true that one man’s junk is another man’s treasure, but is anyone arguing that these curbside caches are quality hides?
So what happens is new people come into the game, naturally gravitate toward easier caches to start, then say “gee, these curbsiders must be what caching is all about, so let me place some.” And so the cycle of crap continues.
On the Left Side of the Road...I’m sorry, handicapped or not, if the best place you can find to put a cache is someone’s front yard, that is really sad. And yes the space between the sidewalk and road is someone’s front yard. While it’s true the public may have an easement to it, that doesn’t give me the individual right to put a geocache there any more than it does to set up a tent and have a picnic.
On the Left Side of the Road...What’s the over/under on how long this game lasts???
On the Left Side of the Road...Stupid advice in that article…geocaching is a game so if it’s not fun for you any more than just stop for Pete’s sake! (sorry Pete!) Don’t waste your time going through all these convoluted machinations to try to find out what used to be fun about it for you. Just go do something else.
When I or our family loses interest, we stop playing until such time that it sounds interesting again. Absence makes the heart grow fonder as they say.
Now caches hidden, that’s another matter because that is an obligation you take on when you hide a cache. Maintenance can be a burnout and there is no solution other than reducing your amount of maintenance thorough adoption, archival, or asking the community, but never abandonment.
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