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-cheeto-, your comments are on topic, because it’s worth looking at the reasons for the adoption/archival.
We also recently archived a slew of our caches, including a great many of our GB puzzles. I think it’s important for people to understand that this was not done out of spite (i.e., it’s not a case of “we’ll show them!”). Rather, it was simply a case where it was no longer enjoyable on our part to have those caches out there. Now, I can’t speak for you, or for Alex, but I’m taking a guess that the situation is similar.
The “Serenity Prayer” has been brought up several times in various discussions in these forums. And this is a very appropriate prayer. It is worth looking at what can be changed, and what cannot.
As has been pointed out, despite what we might argue the spirit of the law to be, the reality of the guidelines is that finding a cache by any means=found it log.
The reality is that a majority of the geocaching community feels it is ok to log puzzles without solving them, as expressed in the poll on these threads.
The reality is that if puzzle cache owners do not like this, there is nothing they can do about it.
And it goes even farther than that. While players who believe that puzzles should be solved before logging cannot enforce that standard, players who believe otherwise can enforce their views on puzzle owners simply by giving away solve coordinates. As Mrs. gotta run said to me, “What’s the point of having a puzzle cache then?” A very good point indeed. Finally, and most unfortunately, we have clearly seen that some will go out of their way to purposefully turn entire collections of puzzle caches into de facto traditional caches by making coordinate lists freely available.
As always, it is easier to destroy than it is to create.
So, back to the Serenity Prayer. What can be changed? In our case, the type of caches that we choose to put out. This is a game, after all. If a part of it is not enjoyable and we can change that, it simply makes sense to do so.
Or to put it another way, as has been said to us on more than one occasion, “If putting out puzzle caches bothers you so much, stop doing it.” Well, that indeed is good advice.
On the Left Side of the Road...I’m not going to try to walk you back from the precipice, but I will say that it just won’t seem right solving or hunting these caches under new ownership. Personally I’d rather see them archived than live on as scattered remnants.
You gotta do what you gotta do, my friend. I completely understand the feelings of remorse because it was pretty strong after our mass-archival a few weeks back. But that will pass and you can concern yourself with more important things.
On the Left Side of the Road...Drag your wagon and your plow
Over the bones of the dead
Out among the roses and the weeds
You can never go back
And the answer is no
And wishing for it only
Makes it bleedThe sirens are snaking their
Way up the hill
It’s last call somewhere in
The world
The reptiles blend in with the
Color of the street
Life is sweet at the edge
Of a razor
And down in the front row of
An old picture show
The old man is asleep
As the credits start to rollAnd I want to know
The same thing
Everyone wants to know
How it going to end?On the Left Side of the Road...@marc_54140 wrote:
Been reading it for over a year, and still have some 250 pages to go!
I will admit to skipping the entire John Galt soliloquy at the end…
Ah…does that mean I shortcut the novel? 😯
Whoops! I now return you to your regularly scheduled healthcare thread.
On the Left Side of the Road...@Braid Beard’s Gang wrote:
My two cents, who is John Gault?
Yes, the parallels are striking.
Ignoring the Big Question of whether government should even be involved in this, and commenting on the specific legislation itself per the topic, my observations are–
The legislation prohibits exclusions for preexisting conditions and bans lifetime coverage limits, which MUST have the effect of raising premiums in a market-driven industry. If government caps premium increases along with this prohibition, companies will go out of business because they will lose money, and only the government can continue to lose money but keep doing what it is doing without change. (My cynical side says, perhaps that is the objective.)
The legislation caps the expense ratio of an insurer (this is the combination of salaries, benefits, utilities, taxes on those fancy glass buildings, etc.) at 15 percent for large plans and 20 percent for other plans. (i.e., the inverse of the 85/80 percent payout rule.) Actually, since insurers exist to make a profit (I know, it’s a dirty word these days), their expense ratio probably has to be even less.
The legislation does not lower the cost of health insurance. In fact, the reports I’ve seen of the CBO analysis says that small businesses will see little to no decrease in their monthly premiums and individuals will see an increase of about 10%. Additionally, the legislation includes a new Medicare surtax that would be imposed on some individuals and small businesses, and new tax on non-wage income, such as dividends and annuities.
The legislation offers SUBSIDIES for premium payments for individuals under certain wage thresholds; however, subsidies do NOT lower net costs—they only SHIFT costs to someone else.
That’s my 2 cents.
On the Left Side of the Road...Welcome to the club, and be sure to check out the caches being put out by the Bay Lakes Council in NE WI! There’s a thread on BSA caches in the NE Wisconsin forums as well:
http://wi-geocaching.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=9513
On the Left Side of the Road...@GZ, DNF. 🙁 PAF? PAO 2 CO? 😀 TFTC!
On the Left Side of the Road...8) x 1,100! And thanks to someone who always rehides ’em better than he finds ’em!
Edit: x 1,100! Didn’t mean to shortchange you…
On the Left Side of the Road...Certified Shrub Inspector
On the Left Side of the Road...Har har, Mr. Misplaced Modifier Police… 😛
On the Left Side of the Road...@zuma wrote:
I “Do unto others as you would have others do unto you.”
z
Funny that my Cub Scout den was just talking about that last night. The boys agreed that if everyone stuck to that principle, there wouldn’t be many problems left in the world to fix.
On the Left Side of the Road...03/17/2010 at 2:36 am in reply to: Lions Fan & 08rocklady join the 1K club at Gibraltar Roc #19252418) x 1,000!
On the Left Side of the Road...Yep it has been going on since the dawn of time (or the dawn of travel bugs at least) which is why it’s good to keep bringing it up. There’s a particular team who seems to think it’s fun for them to on one hand grab every travel bug from caches they find (not a bad thing), and then to leave travel bugs they acquire as trade for swag. Apparently this way they never have to actually acquire any actual swag for trade, as best as I can tell.
Assume everyone plays the game by this practice, and what happens over time? A cache gradually loses all its swag.
Basically we quit caring about swag long ago for this and other reasons, and as a cache owner I just assume sooner or later our caches will either be empty or filled with crap, as is the nature of the game. People are people. Not our fault.
On the related note that was brought up, I do not agree with the principal of “one for one” trades on TBs and coins, because if you are in a position to move them, by all means take them. Caches should not be travel bug prisons. Just my opinion.
On the Left Side of the Road...I think many of us could this time of year!
On the Left Side of the Road...That’s “slopola,” not “sloopa.” 😛
Whilst the white craphas disappeared, the trash craphas reappeared. 😥
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