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@Miata wrote:
There is a sort of freedom when you don’t sign the log.
So I’m picturing Marc in his best William Wallace impersonation…holding a half-camoed bison tube aloft…FREEEEEEEEDOM!!!!!!!!
On the Left Side of the Road...That’s totally understandable and I’m sure you cache with an assortment of sticker sizes that are appropriate for various logs. My comment is about placing stickers the size of “Hello My Name Is” badges on a bison log scroll, sideways. That’s just rude.
On the Left Side of the Road...@PCFrog wrote:
@Lions Fan wrote:
I also have been meaning to post an offer to do a walk through for anyone without the proper GPSr. Maybe we could do a Weekend Wherigo Event… 😀
U can’t have caching as primary item of the event…. 🙄
More info below
http://wi-geocaching.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=9747
You could do a “Wherigo instruction event” and then follow it up with finding the caches.
We did the Zoo Confusion one and it’s fun for the kids. (Once they realized it was a virtual activity.)
On the Left Side of the Road...@marc_54140 wrote:
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What, it’s not like you actually sign the logs anyway…..
On the Left Side of the Road...I’ll take zuma for $100 Alex.
On the Left Side of the Road...99.9% of the time our caching “team” is our family, so our experience is pretty straightforward. While walking to the cache, the kids argue about who is going to walk in front. When that is sorted out, the one in front complains about getting sticks kicked on him/her while the one behind accuses the one in front of passing gas (often true).
To divert the tension, we give the older one a GPSr to look at (that’s why we own 2), whereupon she promptly walks off the trail in the wrong direction and then comes back in a huff, exclaiming “I don’t want to do this.”
Back to the trail and the chorus of “Are we getting closer?” queries begins, to which I usually respond, “No, I thought we’d walk in the opposite direction of the cache today.”
Eventually, the adults with the GPSrs get to GZ and call back the children who have charged 100′ down the trail in their quest to be first. They come back and “look” for the cache, meaning that if it is not a 50 cal ammo can sitting on top of a stump, daughter-cacher declares “it’s not here” and son-cacher goes off to stomp bugs or look for bright shiny objects.
When the cache is found (usually by Mrs. gotta run), a literal “Hoot!” call is made, whereupon the children rush over and commence arguing about, you guessed it, who gets to look in the cache for swag first. Then it’s back to the trail for the choruses of “How many more of these are we going to do?” to begin.
At least that’s how it works in our team.
On the Left Side of the Road...It seems to me that the point of S|S’s post (sorry, I mean seldom|seen, I realize not everybody in the world knows who uses that unique naming convention) is that quantity (numbers-focused) cachers do not appreciate puzzles because solving puzzles cuts into quantity (numbers) time. This conclusion I completely agree with based on my own observations and the comments made over time. This is not a bad thing–to each his own.
Regarding the point of saturation-meets-quality, I’ll use part of Zuma’s argument:
@zuma wrote:
To me, a “quality” cache is a cache that takes me somewhere worth being. Take me to a lake, a creek or a beautiful woods. Show me great architecture or teach me something about the interesting history of the area. Those are great caching experiences. Sitting by a computer and googling arcane and boring factoids and then going to find a nano in a less than spectacular location, is not what caching is about for me and it is quite a stretch to define those types of caches as “quality.”
I focus on the word EXPERIENCES here. I have spent a lot of time googling arcane facts on puzzles where the reward lies in the field. In fact, our children’s favorite cache of all time (and that’s saying a lot) had me wasting my time googling psychedelic record album covers that I had absolutely no interest in–but the field experience was one of a kind. They bring it up every time we go to that park. In another case, I spent hours trying to hunt down obscure animae move clips, to be rewarded with knowledge I am a better person for having, not to mention a field hunt experience that was amazing yet definitely in the LEAST scenic, most unpleasant, yet most appropriate location for this particular cache I could think of.
By the same token, there are many “field solve” puzzle caches that have been great family experiences, some of which are referenced in -cheeto-‘s post above so I will not restate them here.
Therefore, back to the point of saturation. What this indicates to me is that there is plenty of opportunity for diversity in the field, including whether to focus on a particular type of puzzle or ignore them altogether. There is also ample evidence that the placement of caches, while technically limited by the .1 mile rule, is in reality only limited by the imagination of cache hiders.
On the Left Side of the Road...8) x 1,000! So when are you going to hunt lonelies again? 😈
On the Left Side of the Road...8) x a whole bunch!
On the Left Side of the Road...@Lostby7 wrote:
The topic was refined so the puzzle discussion is on topic with the thread.
Well ya, that’s my point if you read it as it relates to saturation. Regular caches are still the majority of caches placed versus puzzles. But if everybody wants to B&M about puzzles in general, it’s a free country.
On the Left Side of the Road...@Todd300 wrote:
Just because there is a puzzle cache out there does not mean I have to find it. I’m not the only one that feels this way too.
You are exactly right, Todd300, and this is a great attitude to have! Just because there is an icon on your “nearest unfound” screen does not mean you need to go find it. 100% on target observation.
On the Left Side of the Road...@marc_54140 wrote:
But another, more important point is how these caches are tying up otherwise good locations for other, and future, caches. Yes, each cacher has a right to place a cache. But when an area becomes saturated with puzzles, it can have a negative effect.
Two words: Heesaker Park 🙄
@-cheeto- wrote:
There are many excuses for not being able to place new caches. Even in the “heart of puzzle country”. Puzzle caches is just one. Why look at all the new places that new cachers like WI.Hibiscus and Hitman4 have found and they’ve been there all along!
This is the heart of the matter. The original topic of the thread dealt with saturation. We can digress into the well-trod realms of the merits of puzzle caches, writing courteous logs, and whatnot, but Marc’s original question was, and I quote:
@marc_54140 wrote:
Will cache saturation become an issue?
The answer is, “Doesn’t seem to be.”
Funny thing is, when we started playing this game (2006) I remember reading logs and cache descriptions about how it was “good to have more caches up in {town name}.” There are now about twice as many caches worldwide, if my memory serves, and people still find ways to put new ones out, as -cheeto- observes.
While saturation is possible in theory, I believe in practice that people will be creative, the game will refine itself, the bad/lame/unpopular/unmaintaned caches will fall by the wayside as a process of natural selection, and life will go on.
On the Left Side of the Road...Now that post from the former king is just dripping irony…
So are we talking about general saturation, or puzzle saturation? The number of all types of caches are growing, not just puzzles. In fact, in the very heart of Sellzup, traditional, single-stage caches still comprise over 60% of the caches there.
Complaints about puzzles are not new. Puzzles are frustrating. So are 5/5 caches. So are tricky urban hides. So are micros in the woods. People will always find something to B&M about.
I have confidence in the creativity of players to find ways to refine and reinvent the game without more rules and restrictions, and for caches to hit 2 million, 3 million, or more worldwide and keep growing as long as the interest in the game itself continues.
On the Left Side of the Road...It would be interesting to compare how many nonowned caches were within 5 miles of your home coordinates.
For us, there are 3 caches w/in 5 miles of our home coordinates. 60 within 10.
On the Left Side of the Road...@Lostby7 wrote:
Not sure if Colorado has the same Windows like file folders which you move things in or out of but with the Oregon I just drop the opened PQ right into the GPX folder…done. No need for GSAK (which I don’t use).
Yes, if the Colorado works like the Oregon regarding GPX files, which I understand that it does, there is no need for GSAK, although GSAK does give you more capabilities. When you plug in the Colorado, does your PC recognize it as a drive, and within that drive is there a folder for “GPX”?
(i.e.: X:/garmin/GPX where X is the drive letter it assigns)
Just drop your GPX file there from your PQ.
By the same token, there is no need for a macro on GSAK if you use GSAK. Just do whatever sorting/manipulating you need to do, then choose File->Export->GPX or LOC file and choose GPX, saving the file to the GPX folder as above.
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