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Thinking back to our trip, we were able to do all the Rock Island caches in a day, but that is because we managed to take the FIRST ferry from Wash. Island to Rock Island. We flew into the Wash. Island airport which definitely cut time off the driving part of that trip!
We were there all day, catching the last ferry. That allowed us time for a leisurely pace, some lunch, exploring the museum on the island, and also giving the kids some beach time.
On the Left Side of the Road...I don’t think so. It’s a pretty long walk with some doubling back.
You could put on your trail shoes and do a bataan death march, but why not take the time to enjoy the island? Gives you a reason to come back too.
On the Left Side of the Road...09/17/2009 at 1:52 am in reply to: Should placing a geocache inside a roundabout be banned? #1914269Equating cachers who place caches in roundabouts to criminals is more than just hyperbole. You’ve crossed the line and I am done trying to have any rational discussion with you!
On the Left Side of the Road...09/16/2009 at 11:47 pm in reply to: Should placing a geocache inside a roundabout be banned? #1914267@hogrod wrote:
placing caches in roundabouts risk others so its just as bad as DUI.
Wow.
On the Left Side of the Road...09/16/2009 at 8:24 pm in reply to: Should placing a geocache inside a roundabout be banned? #1914265Well said, Zuma.
I was also thinking how this discussion is very interesting based on some of the other threads about waysides. In those threads, if I recall correctly, the DOT authorities who disallow geocaching in waysides because it is (paraphrasing) “too dangerous” were widely panned.
It’s therefore very interesting that the geocaching community as represented by the poll respondents here are so willing to disallow geocaching in another location for a similiar judgment call.
Like I said, just say “No!” to roundabout caches, and just say “No!” to banning caches in roundabouts!
On the Left Side of the Road...Bump.
Thanks for all the tips. We have now tried a tandem kayak (ok, but has a mind of its own), borrowed the Big Blue Canoe from my brother in law (navigates better but less stable), and I bought a single-seat kayak (now we’re talking!) after Mrs. gotta run decided she doesn’t like water so much after all. 😆
Each has its strengths. Your insight based on experience is appreciated.
On the Left Side of the Road...8) x 1,000!
On the Left Side of the Road...09/16/2009 at 2:24 pm in reply to: Should placing a geocache inside a roundabout be banned? #1914260@AstroD-Team wrote:
With “sue” happy people and cacher hiders pushing the envelop with hide locations, sometimes intervention is a necessity.
It’s funny you bring this point up because I was discussing this with -cheeto- off the boards and I have a different take on this. Geocaching likes to have it both ways with this issue. On one hand, “we’re just a bulletin board,” and everything is at your own risk. On the other hand, “we have all these guidelines for acceptable publication.”
I’m not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV, but my sense is that the more the guidelines would become about allowing or disallowing things based on what’s good for you (or anyone else), the more someone could point to the rules…uh, I mean “guidelines…and say, “Well, you said I couldn’t hide one in the roundabout, but you didn’t say I couldn’t put one here, and after all the reviewer who is associated with groundspeak published it so you’re saying it’s ok.”
That takes us away from our “yes/no” topic here, but it’s interesting to think about as we consider the merits of guidelines that are not based on laws that exist but, instead, our own beliefs of what might or might not be a good thing for the average human being to do.
And yes, I know the WGA is not geocaching.com but the line has been pretty darn blurry for some time.
On the Left Side of the Road...09/16/2009 at 11:36 am in reply to: Should placing a geocache inside a roundabout be banned? #1914258These points and their shading could be debated all day, but the bottom line is I believe cache hiders and placers should not be disallowed the full freedom to use their own judgment, even if it is bad judgment.
On the Left Side of the Road...09/16/2009 at 3:10 am in reply to: Should placing a geocache inside a roundabout be banned? #1914256@hogrod wrote:
It’s not the danger to ones self that an issue, we all agree to the Geocaching.com Disclaimer that’s on every cache page. When you climb a tree you only endanger yourself, but at a roundabout you could cause a multi-car pileup and kill/injure others.
You can drop stuff out of a tree or fall out of a tree yourself onto other people. I just about dropped a rock on my wife’s head today whilst on a cliff (I’m sure I would have gotten injured worse if I had, but that’s not the point). You can cause a car accident while looking at your GPSr, or so I have heard. 😉 You can swamp the canoe with your passengers inside who can’t swim and who forgot to wear their lifejackets.
And on and on and on.
You get the point. Plus many roundabouts are designed to handle pedestrian crossing traffic. Perhaps the ones that prompted this thread aren’t, I don’t know.
Will we ever hide one in a roundabout? No. Will we look for one there? No (but we have rescued one). Should we put yet another restriction into the “guidelines?” I prefer the libertarian approach and like to think that most people have at least a modicum of intelligence and common sense. Sometimes I am unfortunately proved wrong.
On the Left Side of the Road...09/16/2009 at 12:36 am in reply to: Should placing a geocache inside a roundabout be banned? #1914248Ok, let me be…hopefully…more clear.
Personally, I think they SHOULD NOT be placed there, but not banned by geocaching. There is a whole array of stuff that falls under the “dangerous” umbrella.
Secondly, I do not think the potential to cause accidents or injure others is unique to roundabout hides at all. Take any roadsign hide and a cacher could cause an accident simply by running across the road in a hurry.
So, simple answer:
Should caches be placed in roundabouts: NO.
Should geocaching ban caches from being placed in roundabouts: NO.And I retract my previous comment about “End of story.” That was from a “current acceptability” standpoint. By all means, let the debate continue; everyone has a right to sound off.
On the Left Side of the Road...09/16/2009 at 12:11 am in reply to: Should placing a geocache inside a roundabout be banned? #1914246Thanks for stringing together two disconnected quotes to draw a conclusion about what I said, Hogrod. You have a future in journalism.
There are lots of places where it is a terribly bad idea to “play” but you will find caches there. We have a Wisconsin reviewer saying these placements are within the rules.
Personally, I think they’re bad hides and a bad idea. But I believe we simply have to let people use their own good (or bad) judgment. I think my points are clear. Agree or disagree, just don’t misrepresent what I say.
On the Left Side of the Road...09/15/2009 at 11:16 pm in reply to: Should placing a geocache inside a roundabout be banned? #1914244@greyhounder wrote:
They are perfectly legal, even if they aren’t a good idea.
End of story.
On the Left Side of the Road...09/15/2009 at 11:14 pm in reply to: Should placing a geocache inside a roundabout be banned? #1914243@-cheeto- wrote:
safety is at the discretion of everyone caching.
Yes but are you referring to the safety of the cacher or the safety of the general public? 2 totally different things.
Not really. You have to make your own decision when you come up to GZ. We’ve driven away from places for various safety reasons.
If you drive up and it’s a tree, and you don’t want to climb a tree, you don’t climb it.
If it’s a cliff, and you don’t want to fall too your doom, you don’t go on it.
If it’s a roundabout, and it’s against your better judgment not to go in it, don’t.
There’s no need to be the cache police.
On the Left Side of the Road...09/15/2009 at 8:38 pm in reply to: Should placing a geocache inside a roundabout be banned? #1914232There is no reason to “ban” them. They are stupid hides but safety is at the discretion of everyone caching. Unless the authorities ban it, why put a rule in place? The RR rule relates to cachers being illegally in the RR right of way I believe. The bridges rule relates to DOT rules I believe (and is frequently violated!).
All sorts of things you could “ban” just because they are stupid, lame, or just plain dangerous.
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