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@Team Deejay wrote:
If the cache does not start at the listed coordinates, it MUST be a mystery.
OK, so for the caches that list parking coordinates as their published listing, those MUST be mysteries. I’ve spotted a few those that have been called Multi’s.
The one I linked to earlier in this thread is an example. The published coordinates are for parking only. Not saying which which reviewer approved it, though. 😉 😀
@-cheeto- wrote:
So what you do now is place a true multi that takes up the whole park
I suppose that wouldn’t go over to well…
Thats what I was afraid that this cache had done.
Off Topic, but one of the stages to this cache, waypoint “STOP” asked me, how many letters are on the octagonal shaped sign?
I got there, saw the Stop sign and I just shook my head. “Why did I even bother” I said to myself.@gotta run wrote:
because these are all classified as “Questions to Answer,” there would be no 528 foot restriction on those particular points.
Ok, I think I’ve seen that when submitting a new cache.
There is a drop-down menu where it says “Choose A Waypoint Type”. So then “Questions To Answer” won’t interfere…
Then that answers my question, thanks.My concern was that one multi-cache could tie up an entire park.
I’m happy to learn that this isnt the case.@Team Black-Cat wrote:
it’s an older cache. If it was placed now, it would certainly be a mystery type
Would you consider July 2009 “old”?
This is the cache: GC1VHWF
If indeed it would create a proximity issue, thats really unfortunate because each of the stages are spread out over a half mile distance.
They really are like flying lawnmowers.

Here’s a nice video of a guy, Marcus Kim flying his pretty low to the ground. TOO low, in fact. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKOvdAdt4d8
This was last August down in Muncie, IN for an event, the largest R/C event in the world. The best of the best from all over the world come here to play.
(This event takes precedence over the big geocaching event in WI held the same weekend, sorry)That flight was cut a little short. Here’s why:

@spd2662 wrote:
I always wanted to get a heli but they scare the bajeebers out of me. They are flying blades of death if you don’t know what you’re doing.
I’m happy someone out there respects these machines, as they ARE dangerous. Even a “small heli”, like a T-Rex 450, for example (you can see hundreds of them on youtube)…
The rotor on those things is about the same diameter as a push lawnmower, and spins roughly the same RPM, about 3500rpms.
My helicopter, the one on the picture, has a rotor diameter of around 5 feet.
With the larger diameter, they run a slower headspeed. That one turns around 1850 to 1900 RPM, but because of the heavier blades, its capable of so much more damage.I know of at least 4 instances where people were killed by an R/C helicopter.
Without going into too much detail, I know of other incidents in recent years where people have lost fingers, their eye sight, and in one case, almost half his face. Some larger R/C helicopter caused partial decapitations.
They’re “toys”, but then again, they’re really not.Incidents happen when people are irresponsible, and sometimes incidents happen in the hands of a responsible person just because incidents DO happen. It’s part of R/C. You could have a servo fail, your receiver lock out, your regulator could fail… could be any of a number of things that can ‘just happen’
But with modern equipment, electronics have proven to be more & more reliable, especially with the 2.4ghz spread spectrum radios that are popular today that are resistant to glitching.
Usually, if something happens, its probably the fault of the operator, not doing a proper preflight check, or an error in his build such as forgetting to use loctite somewhere.
Then there are inexperienced pilots who try to fly outside their means and lose orientation, causing them to crash into a crowd of people…
It happens.
If there is someone at the field who I don’t know, and he’s flying a helicopter, and sometimes a big 3D giant scale airplane, I don’t take my eyes off that thing. If he’s losing control, I want to have enough time to get out of the way!So that settles it. A sheltered location is fine, so long as they’re not directly exposed to the elements. However, when left on the tailgate of a pickup truck in a heavy rain squall lasting no more than 5 minutes, the cookies prove to get soggy, which sucks, because those were some real good cookies 🙁 (happened last summer, true story)
As far as them cracking, I’ve broken quite a few of them since I started using them to store stuff in the fridge. I don’t think I’ve ever dropped one that had stuff in it that DIDNT break..
I still have a hard time believing that one would last more than a few months outdoors being handled by all sorts of people.
@spd2662 wrote:
Also at Wally World they have Ziploc Twist ‘n Loc screw top containers in 2 packs with a bonus small container for about $2.
They leak. I learned that less after a rain squall came pouring down and soaked my homemade chocolate chip cookies. 🙁
Also, they are very brittle and can shatter easily if dropped, even at normal, room temperatures.
I can’t imagine how brittler they might be when stored outdoors in the winter time.If only there was a way to make musical notes appear on a staff in the cache description without having to insert an image or other file.
I can make notes such as these: ♪♫♪♪♫♪♪♪
Unfortunately I’m limited to 8th notes. Can’t do much with that.⠠⠝⠕⠺ ⠊⠋ ⠞⠓⠑⠗⠑ ⠺⠁⠎ ⠕⠝⠇⠽ ⠁ ⠺⠁⠽ ⠞⠕ ⠊⠝⠉⠕⠗⠏⠕⠗⠁⠞⠑ ⠠⠃⠗⠁⠊⠇⠇⠑ ⠋⠕⠗ ⠍⠽ ⠠⠃⠇⠊⠝⠙-⠋⠗⠊⠑⠝⠙⠇⠽ ⠉⠁⠉⠓⠑⠎
(Translation: Now if there was only a way to incorporate Braille for my Blind-friendly caches…)
And yes, I’m being quite serious about incorporating braille into a cache.
The idea would be a multi-cache, with the first stage containing a thin piece of plastic containing Braille text that I’ve transferred onto it with a center punch. 2 ways to do that: Bring your blind buddy caching with you, or sit there and try and cypher it with a braille translator. Is that evil or what? 😉
@Team Black-Cat wrote:
BTW, it’s never too cold to fly! I’ve flown in a snow storm and attended a winter fly-in where the temp bottomed out at -10.
…but helicopter pilots actually need both thumbs to fly, unlike a plank pilot who can fly with one hand in their pocket, or holding a cup of hot coffee.
I have flown in -10 weather. It’s not fun. Well it is, but only for a few minutes.
I went to the Winter Fun Fly in Wausau a few years ago, I didn’t have a good time. It was bitter cold, and the gusting 25mph wind wasn’t helping.
A real concern of mine, though, is the plastic ball links on the rotor head. With the high loads on the head, and the high head speeds we run, the last thing I want is a linkage breaking because it got brittle from the cold.
That helicopter costs a good $3000 to get in the air. It’s not exactly cheap to crash.
@Team Black-Cat wrote:
I’ve got three brand new planes that I haven’t even flown yet.
Whatcha got? Selling any? I just happen to looking for something along the lines of a 60 size Edge or an Extra. I was hoping to have one of those 50cc 90″ gassers that are so popular right now, but I really can’t afford to get one of those in the air anytime soon.
@marc_54140 wrote:
The recent farce about no find in 48 hours ……. well!?
Now it’s a farce? I see. I’m only here for your amusement. 😕
Did you open a new thread because the previous thread was closed?
If you had information you wanted to share with me, could this perhaps have been better served to me via pm?I’ll assume you’ve clicked on my user and determined that I haven’t been registered on geocaching for more than a few months. Sorry I don’t know all the fine intricate details that comes from the experience of caching for several years and logging thousands of finds.
I didn’t create a thread because I was complaining. Did it seem to you that I was complaining? Well, I’m sorry that with the presence of so many different personalities around here, and with the absence of tone, eye contact and other body language, only 10% of whats really said in a message actually makes it across in the intended context.
In the time I’ve been geocaching, most of which has been in the winter,
I’ve seen new caches last only a few hours, even in fresh snow and sub-zero temperatures and, SURPRISE, a few miles outside of town away from the area where cache placements are most dense.
If that wasn’t enough, an ISLAND CACHE, away from town that lasted only a few hours before FTF. An island a half mile away from the mainland at that.I’ve chased a FTF opportunity, well outside of town, at night, in below-zero temperatures because I knew it wouldnt last long.
What else can I think other than NEWLY PLACED CACHES don’t last more than a couple hours; regardless of where they’re placed or what type of cache they are?
And then I place one. 48 hours goes by, and Im sitting here scratching my head… Surprised.
“Did my puzzle really stump some people?” –I wouldnt think so… It wasnt that hard.I even made note of it myself, that timing wasn’t ideal. The weekend had already come & gone before the reviewer published it. I KNOW that didn’t help it much.
I can only go off of what I know–What I knew was new caches don’t last long before the FTF gets it. Was I wrong to assume that?
When I posted on the forum, I was more or less promoting it, trying to be somewhat subtle. I was saying, “hey, theres a new cache here, come get it!” Why? Because I worked hard on it. I was proud of it! I wanted to share it!
I only got upset after another member posted some kind of joke that would be perceived as some sort of hint. “How very uncool”, I thought.
A lot of you guys pointed out that 99% of cemetery caches are hid in Cedar trees. Well, my experience grabbing cemetery caches so far has been quite the opposite. I’ve found one in a bush, in a stump, in an oak tree… Sad to say only one in a cedar tree.If he knew the Cemetery where the cache is, that guy probably wouldnt have said what he said.
Maybe this place only has 2 or 3 cedar trees in the whole place, and the rest are those types that lose their leaves in the winter months…
Are there really cemeteries like that? Well, I can name at least one.And the 4 people watching it… What to think of that.
Im not foolish enough to believe they’re watching it because it’s such an interesting cache. They’re watching it because of the drama it created and the spectacle it has become. I’ll be lying if I said I wasn’t embarrassed.It wasnt that long ago that I didn’t know anything at all. A year or so ago, I had been looking at the wikipedia page for Wisc Rapids, when I saw Grim Natwick’s name. Not knowing who he was, I clicked on his name. Everything I know about him, I learned from Wikipedia.
It was a few days ago, when I was looking at a really neat website called Findagrave.com (doesn’t require a membership to retrieve info)
There I found a picture of Natwick’s grave.
See his page HEREI had no idea he was even buried in Rapids. Surprised, really, since he dies in Los Angeles, I’d assume he would be buried there.
The part that REALLY surprised me, is that someone with almost iconic status has such a small (sorry, but) rather disappointing grave marker.
I would have expected it to be a lot bigger than it actually is, or at least have had some reference to the pop culture icon, Betty Boop, he created.I haven’t seen his grave personally. I don’t know where exactly it is, the Forest Hill Cemetery is huge. By the picture, I can see that it is a relatively flat, low profile headstone. For sure it would be covered by snow. When the snow melts, I’ll set out to find it.
Of course I’m just as capable as anyone else to place a cache memorialising Natwick & his legacy, but I’d much rather see someone who was at least a fan of BB do the honors. I’d hate to disappoint.
And quite honestly, I have no idea where’d I’d even begin.
Betty Boop fans must be few and far between. I can’t blame ya, though. Im not one either. 😀
As a REAL Sub Vet, I’m afraid I may have missed something good?
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