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I really like the idea of this new type of cache & would really like to try doing one. I have to wonder if these will really catch on that much considering you need either a Garmin Oregon or Colorado Series GPS, no other brand/model that I know of can do whereigo.

Garmin just released the Dakota Series(smaller version of Oregon) & it doesn’t have any Wherigo Features. Either they excluded this in a somewhat cheaper model or they may be phasing this out.

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I just watched the show & was wondering if anyone had seen it. Funny thing is this is the second time this week I seen geocaching on TV.

On Sunday my girlfriend was watching Extreme Makeover home edition and the peoples house they were fixing were geocachers from Superior Wisconsin.
You can watch the Show here, Highspeed Internet only!!!
http://abc.go.com/shows/extreme-makeover-home-edition

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Thats an amazing find, I think I would have just given up.

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@gotta run wrote:

@Mathman wrote:

WOW!

Everyone has so many harsh comments about roundabouts. I happen to
have placed a cache inside of one.

You better be careful Mathman. According to some people this is equivalent to committing a crime. If you place 4 more, you’ll be committing a felony in Wisconsin!

Obviously you are talking about my comments before but for some reason even though I already cleared up your misinterpretation of what I said you are still missing that the comparison I made was about the RISK TO PUBLIC, not the crime itself.

Seems I need to repeat myself allot around you. I’ll assume since you can type you are not a bit slow but like to hear yourself talk & only care for your own opinion. Either way your comments are very childish considering I have never once made fun of anything you have said.

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I’ve seen a a few posts on the geocaching.com forums regarding these firmware issues. I think that software version 2.80 & chipset 2.50 are suppose to be the best for unit accuracy & recording track logs. I have a couple friends with VistaHCX models & they reverted & have not had any issues since.

Here’s one of those threads
http://forums.groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=229219

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@gotta run wrote:

Equating cachers who place caches in roundabouts to criminals is more than just hyperbole. You’ve crossed the line and I am done trying to have any rational discussion with you!

I am not saying cachers who places these caches are like criminals, I am comparing risks to the public when public risk is involved things should be banned.
Unless you open your eyes and admit there is risk to public(which there is) & this WILL give geocaching bad press, you might as well put your keyboard away.
If you have something REAL to add to this discussion I am more than willing to hear the other side of the fence, but all you seem to be doing is attacking anyone who says something against your opinion and screaming your freedom is being taken away.

so to quote you….

@gotta run wrote:

End of story.

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@gotta run wrote:

@hogrod wrote:

placing caches in roundabouts risk others so its just as bad as DUI.

Wow.

it is a risk to others pretty simple analogy. you cache for fun in road, others drive drunk while having fun on the road.

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Maybe I’m missing something but it seems the only argument against banning these caches is it somehow takes away some freedom?
How about when one of these placements cause someones death and we loose the freedom to cache altogether when city’s, county’s, and states start banning caches all together? Sometimes there needs to be some rules & guidelines in place to protect freedom, and in this case, geocaching as a whole.

Zuma – As the WGA vice president I would have guessed you would have taken the bad light these placements could put on geocaching more seriously. Guess your more of a geocacher than a representative of the geocaching community in Wisconsin.

Freedom is just a perception of an individual, not a real reason to not ban a VERY poorly placed cache that WILL give geocaching bad press. Driving drunk is banned because of the risk to others, placing caches in roundabouts risk others so its just as bad as DUI. 😆

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@gotta run wrote:

You can drop stuff out of a tree or fall out of a tree yourself onto other people. I just about dropped a rock on my wife’s head today whilst on a cliff (I’m sure I would have gotten injured worse if I had, but that’s not the point).

And on and on and on.

All the examples you listed the person was caching/traveling with your so they also assume the same risks that you did. If I am traveling in my car I also assume there is risk involved but when a Sport(geocaching) increases the risk to others on a public road it should be banned. Imagine if they let a football or baseball game take place in the middle of the road, I’m sure that would be frowned upon.

If I am on a cliff geocaching and a rock falls because of me killing a hiker it would have happened anyway since theres a chance I would have been hiking there anyway as that’s what I do(hike), Accidents happen.

95% of the roundabouts I have been though DO NOT have public walkways through the centers, most have walkways along the outer edge a safe distance away. The Reason? To keep people out of the roundabout & traffic. Taking a look at the brochure mentioned at the beginning of this thread you can see this is exactly how this roundabout is designed, to keep people out of the traffic flow.

@gotta run wrote:

Should we put yet another restriction into the “guidelines?” I prefer the libertarian approach and like to think that most people have at least a modicum of intelligence and common sense. Sometimes I am unfortunately proved wrong.

I came to the conclusion long ago that most people have no common sense let alone intelligence. A new restriction is the best option when you consider all the possible negatives on a roundabout hide.

1. Risk to others/public
2. Jaywalking ticket
3. Negative Press for geocaching
4. No Permission Granted (this alone should get them stopped)

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@Mathman wrote:

If you want to talk about banning caches I can think of many “up in the tree caches” which are ultimately much more dangerous. Just my thoughts.

It’s not the danger to ones self that an issue, we all agree to the Geocaching.com Disclaimer that’s on every cache page. When you climb a tree you only endandger yourself, but at a roundabout you could cause a multi-car pileup and kill/injure others.

cliffs, water placements,(& a few other ‘tough placements’ I can’t think of right now) these places you only risk yourself not others. so thee places are quite alright in my book.

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Slightly off topic, I have found allot of caches that I would consider bad placement and always wonder how the heck did this get approved. I realize our reviewers jobs are hard but shouldn’t they stop some of these?

a few examples: edge of park next to someones yard, tree line next to pubic sidewalk next to someones yard, very public placements near government buildings or businesses, street signs, culverts, next to a headstone, backyard parks surrounded by houses with only sidewalk access.

I was going to look for a couple quotes from caches that tell you of how poor some of these placements are but I think this one sums up the issues facing geocaching in the future if we don’t police our own better or make the reviewers take another look at some placements. The quote below is from a cache that is still placed and been out since 2007.

Quote from cache log…
“We took the more “public” route to get to the cache and one of the neighbors came out to give us a talkin’ to about keeping off his property, so beware of the property lines. He was aware of what we were looking for and gave us a hint which was wrong. I wonder if he comes out everytime he sees people poking around? He made a fairly sarcastic comment about how he could really understand why people would want to spent their time looking for hidden objects.”

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@gotta run wrote:

Thanks for stringing together two disconnected quotes to draw a conclusion about what I said, Hogrod. You have a future in journalism.

Personally, I think they’re bad hides and a bad idea. But I believe we simply have to let people use their own good (or bad) judgment. I think my points are clear. Agree or disagree, just don’t misrepresent what I say.

Hmm… both your post(one on top of the other) clearly are for placing these types of stupid caches, why else would you have said what you did? I’m pretty sure if you didn’t want me to quote you you wouldn’t have said either statement.
Your argument that since the reviewer says they are legal placements this is a perfectly ok practice is ridiculous, I think a reviewer of caches in WI should be doing what WI cachers want as a whole, and so far it seems the majority is against this type of placement.
Doesn’t the WI reviewer not publish caches in State Natural Area’s, Waysides, because the majority of DNR, or Highway departments say they do not want them placed there? It would only make sense that the reviewers would do what WI geocachers want too.

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Secondly, I do not think the potential to cause accidents or injure others is unique to roundabout hides at all. Take any road sign hide and a cacher could cause an accident simply by running across the road in a hurry.

These caches should be banned too, who did the hider get permission from for placing another type of stupid cache? I’m sure the highway department would frown upon this type of placement too since they don’t even want cachers in waysides.

On the same note, who does a person get permission from to place a roundabout hide? Does everyone think that since the street is public its perfectly of to not seek permission for placement?

If we let these types of hides(along with a few other questionable placements) slide we risk getting geocaching banned as a whole. If we don’t filter out these crappy hides it puts geocaching in a bad light with the general public. So if we don’t police our own eventually the real police may give fines for geocaching in city parks, ect. after city’s, county’s, and states enact ordinances/laws banning geocaching.

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@gotta run wrote:

There’s no need to be the cache police.

End of story.

I’m very glad you let us hear the other side of the argument, but I think this type of placement gives geocaching a bad name. The Reviewers should be stopping this unsafe & plain stupid placement.

Are caches allowed in the middle of 4 lane highways on that little green strip of grass in the medium? by your logic they should be. I can’t believe anyone thinks its ok to “Play” in the middle of an intersection.

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Love roundabout intersections, never have to wait for more than a second when driving. With stoplights if you hit them all wrong you can get stuck in an area forever.
For caching I say no. I’d say 1/3 of people can’t even figure out how to flow into a roundabout when driving, I can’t imagine with having pedestrians in the area they would be just more distractions for everyone.

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If you do decide to try the free maps, you need to have mapsource installed first. Some of Garmins GPS come with a Trip & waypoint manager software, which includes mapsource. just install this CD before you download and Install the WI topo maps.
If your GPS didn’t come with Mapsource you can still get mapsource installed. Just follow these directions here: http://www.gpsfiledepot.com/tutorials/how-to-install-mapsource-if-it-didnt-come-with-your-gps/

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