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@huffinpuffin2 wrote:

We recently did just this, at a cache that was previously found and signed by yourself and F1rebirds. We had no intent to take any points away from you, as the way the game has been played, as long as we can recall, is to award the same amount of points to all who find it on that same day. The rationale, we thought, was to discourage the need to camp out until the stroke of midnight, and keep the game an enjoyable and rewarding activity that can be pursued at a more leisurely pace.

I wasn’t pointing fingers, just general discussion/observations. Didn’t know that was accepted practice. I’m good with claiming points that way, now knowing it’s OK.

Of course, I don’t mind caching in the middle of the night once in a great while. Walking around in the dark is good for some of the other senses! Or why I like night caches, or, well you get the idea.

Leisurely pace, what’s that? Not enough hours in the day!

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1st, well thought out post.

@CodeJunkie wrote:

One potential scenario for “gamemanship” would be for a single cacher to sign the name of multiple individuals (or sign a group signature) to a lonely cache log sheet. This is then reported on gc.com as a find by each individual account and also on this website for the points in the game. The problem is there’s no way for anyone to verify anything other than the admins can check to ensure each account also logged it as a find.

I’ve seen, and have pictures of logbooks, that lead me to believe there is possible shenanigans going on.

@CodeJunkie wrote:

Another potential scenario for “gamemanship” would be pre-dating a signature on the log a couple days before the lonely would get extra points. The finder could wait with logging it and claim 2x points.

That is a real possibility. Don’t think that I would want to leave potential proof of something like that. It would be pretty hard to explain something like that. I’ve also gone out for caches at midnight to look for interesting things like that. Just did it, actually, went out for a cache to find after midnight(intentionally) for double points. Couple actually, and turns out one was found bright and early the next day. Player claimed double points as I hadn’t posted my log, or points. Rules state, I have 7 days to log, gamesmanship guidelines show I have longer. If I saw a known LCG players name on the log, I wouldn’t try to claim double.

2 more situations come to mind. I found a Year old cache, couple hours later, another team found it. Claimed 2x points. Make the story short, cacher friend dated the log 12 instead of 13. I may have “played” the game the same. No harm, no foul. ie:gamesmanship! Screw up was on us for dating the log wrong.

Recently, I found a cache that wasn’t supposed to be year old. No name on the log to go with the online log. Snapped pics, claimed year. Right, wrong, doesn’t matter. People mess up field notes some times. (Recent updates to the iphone app have screwed mine up, mostly dates when storing for short period of time.) Emails after the log, and submission prove otherwise. But, submission was in, and picture proof was there.

@CodeJunkie wrote:

Prizes / Awards / Bragging Rights could easily be an incentive for people to cheat, bend the rules, etc. Because most of the process is based on “on your honor” there are many opportunities for dishonesty and gamemanship. Considering it’s a game with a very small set of rules, there are numerous opportunities for various levels of “gamemanship”.

I think that the implement of the monthly prize may have something to do with it. Haven’t seen so many people play this game for a while. Lot of names on the board submitting points.

I truly enjoy the game. Mostly for helping me find really cool spots to go caching, that aren’t for the PnG crowd.

Even before I played the LCG, I watched the map. I’d even make it a point to go hit lonelies before they got to a year old, just so they didn’t. Also, If I came across caches(mostly puzzles around here) in the area that were going to be on the next list, I’d do the same.

@CodeJunkie wrote:

I think the LCG is a great concept and certainly wouldn’t want to see it abandonded because it adds great value to the hobby as a whole. I also may / may not seek out “lonelies”, but choose not to play the game portion any longer by claiming the points on this website. This is not much different than others I know that geocache, but never log anything online to track their progress (i.e. the numbers truly don’t matter to these people and there are more than you think that do this)

I agree. And, sounds like my old style of play might be right up your alley!

I’ll also agree with Todd, it is all about having fun. 8) So, get out there, and have some!

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Sorry Bec for all the “dips”. I was trying to get you all the miles that I could, but found out after the fact that it probably only calculated the first one for mileage in the race. Might help to mention those rules on the TB page, because if I’d have known that, it would have been one larger move, instead of a bunch of small ones…..

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@CodeJunkie wrote:

Based on what I’ve seen lately it’s just about the points for some players. You know – it’s all about the numbers.

‘:no:’

I disagree. To some, maybe. I was just on a cache run, mostly lonely’s, and think it’s more about the adventure, and time spent laughing our asses off as friends doing crazy caching related good fun. Put up a bunch of lonely points in a new area for caching and had a grand ol’ ball doing it. Had to have around 15 miles of hiking, and 7 miles of biking, and 100’s of miles on the car over the weekend. Daylight, darkness, puzzles, night caches, all in 1 weekend. 😀

And really, you should get out of the mindset about how others play the game. Seems to be a sticking point of people around here. I guess it’s like this, even if it is about the numbers/points for others, why does it matter? I mean, there IS a point system, right? 🙄

@CodeJunkie wrote:

Then there are those of us that look at the lonelies ahead of time to determine why they’re lonely. If it appears the cache is in place but just needs some TLC, I’ll take appropriate supplies to repair it. If it appears missing and I think I can fix it up, I’ll contact the CO and explain the situation. I figure if they want help, they’ll respond. No response tells me they don’t care about it anymore and in that case I may hunt for it, but I don’t repair it and will log a NM log to initiate the archive process. I’m generally not a fan of the community having to continue to maintain something when the CO has gone MIA and left the caches to waste away.

In non-LCG situations the best the cache can hope for is that I have a baggie and a spare log which I try to carry. I generally cache light (no-backpack) and if the cache isn’t a P&G, I generally don’t take the time to go back to the car for supplies.

Now here, I agree. You don’t think we studied the caches on the list to determine which caches we’d spend time on? Even caches with prior DNF’s weren’t ruled out without scrutiny.

As far as repair is concerned, not other than a fresh log, IMO. I don’t think people should maintain my caches as an active participant, why should we maintain theirs as an absent, or negligent owner? That’s what the NM and NA along with Cache Rescue are for. I like to travel as light as possible when hiking or whatever I do to get to a cache. Doesn’t mean I haven’t CITO’d when necessary. Of course, that applies to normal caches also.

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@CodeJunkie wrote:

El Camino del Rey (King’s pathway), Málaga, Spain

I’d seen a TV something or other that showed that. Maybe documentary, or something similar. Ever since, I’ve wanted to go there. Even though it’s “closed”, it doesn’t seem to be enforced.

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Good Job Ed, and family!

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@Trekkin and Birdin wrote:

Seriously, this is in Wisconsin somewhere? Or not. I’d have to steel myself but it could be fun, depending on how long the “ramp” is.

I doubt that is actually in Wisconsin, but if it was, I’d probably be there next weekend. Curious to where it is also.

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Oh, wait. I did log a cache without being there. http://coord.info/GC2HPT6 But, the cache was designed that way. Should I delete my log?

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@gotta run wrote:

@isjustus4 wrote:

But, I don’t think that that is the code that Gotcha is talking in. Maybe he can come straight out an say what’s on his mind without the riddles.

I’m gonna assume this is meant for me…

There are no riddles or code and my question is simple as stated in my first post.

For those of you who log caches online without personally finding the physical container, what’s the appeal? A few theories have been put forward but no answers from those who do armchair logging or get signed in absentia. Why do you enjoy it?

Just curious, that’s all.

Care to point out where I have ever logged a cache without being there? You did say “you”, and I’ll take that as me…

When it comes to puzzles, there is a team effort(if your rants are directed at me, or people I cache with. Whether by note,(see Triumvirate), or riddle posts here on the forums. You for one should know how hard we worked on Enigma. Just because there was only one of us emailing you, doesn’t mean there weren’t multiple people working on it. Yet, you seem to assume that the answers are just being passed around once one has solved it. Honestly, I don’t care whether I’ve fully solved a puzzle to log it, as long as I’ve been at the container. I don’t have the time to sit around and try to figure them all out. Why? Because I have a life….. And when it comes down to it, I’d rather be out finding caches than laying around the house getting fat. Add to that, that if I’m caching with my family, that I will let my daughter log said cache, whether it’s a 1/1 or 5/5 as long as she’s been there. Only requirement I have is that she writes the online log. I just check it for spoilers before it’s sent. Her name is on more caches than she’s logged because of this.

Then, in a childish way, you post notes bagging on misspellings in logs on caches after found logs, or how many miles, or counties someone has traveled to find caches. I guess that’s the nice thing about a hybrid, and a group outing, to split the costs. But, why do you care? You obviously do, as noted by notes, and forum threads, posts, etc.

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@f1rebirds wrote:

Five states in 12 hrs!

http://coord.info/GC3DX78

Maybe we should conduct an investigation? 😯

Feelin the urge to go on another cache run! 😈

Hey, I remember that! I can maybe help with the investigation, I have pictures, and an extra 1000 miles on my wife’s hybrid, along with the Illinois speeding ticket could help disprove any shenanigans…….

I’m always up for another cache run. When ya wanna go? 😈

But, I don’t think that that is the code that Gotcha is talking in. Maybe he can come straight out an say what’s on his mind without the riddles.

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I think Devil’s lake would be my favorite over Peninsula. Hiking, climbing, and a nicer beach than Peninsula. Not as nice for biking though! Short drive to Baraboo for the circus, or to the Dells for the Ducks, Go-carts(for Huffinpuffin), or numerous other activities.

Most, but not all of my camping is done at Hartmann Creek, Peninsula, or Devil’s lake.

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Thanks for the congrats. And no, there better not be a picture of the picture floating around here. Remind me to revisit and remove that……. 😀

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And that is why I directed you to this thread, so you can read what is being discussed, and also post if you thought you wanted to.

As far as your “go getter” comment, I don’t know it that was directed at me, or just anyone that goes for FTFs, but I will say, I have NEVER caused a problem, or scene when I go get a cache. I am always respectful, and there have been numerous times that I will skip a cache when other non cacher people are in the general vicinity. And, I am never in a hurry to find it. ie. trampling, running around, etc… Of course, I only speak for myself, and no one else.

Also, as to socializing with other cachers, it used to be that going for FTF’s was a good(and fun) way to do that. As of the last couple months, less cachers are chasing them, including myself. I still will, just not ALL of them, if the timing is right. Another good place is events.

Now, your permission thing. Are you saying I could walk up to any of the houses where you have a “public property” terrace cache, and ask if permission was given? Given the Archive on GC2YXAF, I don’t know that I believe that. Now, I know this isn’t a terrace, in front of someones house, but on GC2YKVA do you know that there is a No Tresspassing sign within about 15 feet of the cache? I grew up playing in the woods here, and would have placed a cache there a long time ago, if not for the fact that it is posted No Trespassing. Just because it’s at the edge of the woods line, doesn’t mean cachers won’t go in, and look for it.

If you’d like to socialize sometime, I’ll be more than happy to go grab some caches with you sometime. I haven’t been out caching much lately.

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@labrat_wr wrote:

And that is just what I hope it will be and not a discouragement from hiding or participating in the game altogether.

I wouldn’t discourage anybody from caching, nor do I think anyone is trying to by discussing this, either.

@-cheeto- wrote:

And one thing I’d add is that geocacher’s will continue to hide geocaches within site of the public and continue to place “urban hides”. It’s up to those of us that may choose to hunt these types to represent the activity the best we can when we come into contact with that paranoid public.

I also agree with this. The biggest problem I see here, is a lot of cachers eventually want to be owners, and use their creativity to hide caches also. Being in the area we live in, the area is already oversaturated with caches that have been around for a LONG time. Some of these are still around with an inactive owner(think Bearbear). Most of the interesting locations and parks have caches there already, so it is hard to find a “good” spot to place a new one with the exception of a boring, urban hide most of the time. If you are creative enough, even a semi urban hide can be fun and challenging, like Merc’s “over, under, around and through” series.

The funny thing there, is, there ARE a lot of cachers willing to go get these caches. Think those high #’s cachers in particular, or someone that wants a “quick fix”, or someone wanting to fill their cache a day stat.

I totally appreciate the fact that they are trying to add to the sport, or add to someone elses enjoyment by putting caches out there to find…..

Seems to be a fine line………

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And that’s fine, MB. I didnt even look at the links you provided. By me directing a cacher to this page, they can take some hints, or whatever from the discussion. I mean, most of us agree that caching in residential areas isn’t the best spot for a cache. This thread can still be used as a learnin tool for newer cachers.

You can also see, that I wasn’t the only person to assume the identity of “who”. For the most part, I would have probably stayed away from this topic, until I got that archive notification stating police involvement from a GS employee. Do we really need our police wasting time on stuff like this, or like previously stated, having municipalities start passing laws regarding our little hobby?

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