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PTO,
The gc.com site was created at a time when the only other type of hide and seek game in the woods was “letterboxing.” The WGA was created by people playing on the gc.com pages and continues to represent those people today. All members of the WGA are members on the Groundspeak site. And…bottom line is…without Jeremy and friends starting the Groundspeak site, you don’t even know that any of those other sites you play on would be out there. Any questions, check out this site: http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Geocaching
And note that all references to “geocaching” pertain to links taking you to gc.com pages. (side note: be sure to click on the Dave Ulmer link. The history is interesting!)I’m not saying it’s bad, or wrong to play on the other sites, I’m just saying that while there are those…obviously yourself included…who may think otherwise, the gc.com members are the members the WGA BOD needs to concern themselves with today!
(I am curious about something though…how is it that someone who lives in St. Paul, MN, has been a gc.com member since July 8, 2003, and has 80 finds, finds themselves telling people who actually live in the state of WI what they can and can’t think about their association.)
Why don’t you go out and log 2000+ finds, travel to 19 states in search of hides, attend several CITO events to clean up parks, as well as collect seeds for the WI DNR, assist in the planning, execution of, and cleaning up of some WGA events (and cache hides), work with the WI Visitors Bureau, have an AP reporter follow you around for a day seeking hides (stopping on the way home to buy a GPSR because of the fun he had…attending an event you hosted…caching with you and your friends after the event…), visit a couple of city council meetings to see what’s happening with Geocaching, get paid to help newbies better prepare themselves for a day on the trails, as well as countless other activities for the sport of GEOCACHING, then tell me what the WGA should mean to me again! Oh yes, and unless you’ve done so without changing it on your gc.com profile, MOVE TO WISCONSIN! Perhaps then I’ll have more respect for what you think you know about my state and my assocation!
MajorBrat
(A proud and active voting member of the WGA!)@Pto wrote:
We completely understand not logging all on the caches a person does. We’re still trying to log the ones from GW4 until now. And then there are the hundreds that we’ve just given up on and tossed aside. However, if in fact one of our BOD members is seeking hides from another site instead of GC.com, they aren’t actually geocaching. They are seeking hides from some other site. If Geocaching isn’t being done by them, are they actually representing the Wisconsin Geocaching Assocaition well? I personally think one who represents us, should be one of us! But like Bob said, “…far fetched excuses…”
IMO, “geocaching” is the sport/hobby/etc- geocaching.com is A listing service for geocaches. It, in and by itself is NOT “geocaching”, but a hosting site, just as Navicache, etc are.
SO WHAT! That really has no basis here! Since the WGA was created as a part of gc.com, and the BOD was voted into office under the gc.com, navicache, terracaching, seekers in the woods, plastic under bushes…whatever…none of those mean anything on this site! So, if members of the BOD are seeking hides under a different site, good for them. If they are listing hides, logging finds, walking without logging, good for them. But, it is my belief that they shouldn’t be doing those things and telling me that they are representing me. I am a member of the WGA…I hunt hides listed on gc.com…I attend events listed on the gc.com site…I personally like the BOD members who do the same thing.
You can go to www dot usageocoins dot com to retrieve the activation code. Then click on the “USA” link (top left on page). Once there, enter the info to retrieve the code. Go back to GC.COM and start the bug on its way. You can activate it and drop it into the cache where you found it, then pick it up…that way it will start in the right place.
Sometimes people drop things into caches without posting. Kind of a special treat to the next seeker. We’ve done that more than once! Dropped coins, bug tags, jeeps…we don’t post them because we don’t want a bunch of people running out to a cache just for the goodies! We like them to go for the cache! We usually put a note with it though. It may be that the dropper of your coin simply forgot. You can always contact gc.com later to have the ownership transferred later if you find the original owner made a mistake. They are very helpful about that stuff!
Good luck!
MBDidn’t I see some whining somewhere about people trying to derail thread topics? Why aren’t they whining on this thread? The last several posts are great examples of how easily the drailments happen.
On topic:
@bnb wrote:@Commander Bob wrote:
@zuma wrote:
Those who would suggest that some BOD members are “not on the trails” are both ill-informed and foolish.
A simple check of a person’s profile may “inform” you otherwise. Making a statement like this without checking the facts could be considered foolish.
A geocaching.com profile is not proof of a person’s geocaching activity. If not all cache finds are logged, and not all cache hides are part of geocaching.com, they would not appear in the profile.
We completely understand not logging all on the caches a person does. We’re still trying to log the ones from GW4 until now. And then there are the hundreds that we’ve just given up on and tossed aside. However, if in fact one of our BOD members is seeking hides from another site instead of GC.com, they aren’t actually geocaching. They are seeking hides from some other site. If
Geocaching isn’t being done by them, are they actually representing the Wisconsin Geocaching Assocaition well? I personally think one who represents us, should be one of us! But like Bob said, “…far fetched excuses…”@Cheesehead Dave wrote:
@Commander Bob wrote:
Of course personal attacks have no place in this or any other debate, we all agree there. I never mentioned name calling or personal attacks for a reason, there simply wasn’t any. Go back and re-read the thread in question (we all know which one) and quote me an instance of name calling. Yet I can quote the cries for censorship. Do not defend your actions with false claims.
~CB“Someone” called “someone else” “Chicken****” in “the thread in question”, so I wouldn’t quite say it was 100% personal attack free.
I don’t think that was in response to a call for censorship, it was merely a request to take a well-warranted discussion out of a thread for which it was off-topic, and start a new thread so it could be discussed properly.
Come on Dave…let’s not take it out of context! I never called you “chicken” anything! I called your idea “chickenshi#”…see, here’s the post:
Talking about the logo and the design that you showed everyone is NOT derailing the topic. Asking me open a new thread providing my opinion is being chicken shi#. It’s hiding from why this has gone on so long…As you can see, Bob beat me to it. And where has it gotten him? NO WHERE! The same people are still crying foul, and the same people are still hiding. So…
@cacheseekers wrote:
We’ll have to debate if we’ll do that or not. Doesn’t seem to be that bad of an option as you need to have the Tag# anyways.
It is completely your option! For us, we generally don’t like to log bugs unless we walk away with them. There are times when someone brings us a “personal” bug and asks us to log it. Those are usually the only ones we do that for. Sometimes when we cache with others and we all find a bug, we’ll grab it then drop it in another cache along the way. They can then grab it and take it wherever… It works for us. I like your idea of “discovering” only the cool ones you find on your journeys.
@kbraband wrote:
My apologies if I misinterpreted what you meant. In another thread (or this one, I forget which) you said you always say what you mean, so I took you at your word. Thanks for the clarification.
All this and still no answer to the question. How many BOD members do you know?
For the record though…I did mean to post about Jeremy’s “babbling”…I knew it, he knew it, and wow…now even you know it!
@cacheseekers wrote:
I’m assuming “Discovered” leaves it in the cache vs “Found It”.
….in the cache, in the hands of the current holder, on the moon 😉 …wherever. It gives you the icon while letting someone else have/keep the bug.
@hogrod wrote:
…They are also great for getting your files off a non-booting windows hardrive(or bypassing any windows passwords)…
Hey Bec…hear that? This may be the person you need to ask for help!
@EnergySaver wrote:
Good question … that “discovered” choice is somewhat new … pending someone correcting me, I *THINK* the purpose is to log you saw the travel bug without taking it … I suspect the choice was added for events, where coins tend to get passed around, to avoid people logging “grab” entries out of the hands of other people, which can be a problem when someone has physically dropped a TB in another cache but others keep “grabbing” it out electronically because they happened to jot down the code number.
So I guess, in theory, you could use “discovered” everytime you see a travel bug in a cache … but in my opinion, your just create a lot of extra effort on your part … but that’s up to you.
This is the basic idea we got from conversations with a couple of our “Lackey” friends over the past few months. (Well put sir!)
@Jeremy wrote:
No hard feelings MB… I never considered your response an attack or rude. (I wanted to use a kissing emoticon here but we don’t have one on the WGA site. :))
No worries Jeremy…you and I have had enough conversations that I knew we’d understand one another. It’s the rest of the membership that I was trying to “intimidate.” 😆
There wasn’t really any point to this thread anyhow, I was just curious of how many people knew who the BOD members were. And how many people would actually stick to posting only the number of members known to them.
As for the rest of your reply…do you want to start the next thread, or should I?
MB
@kbraband wrote:
@CB&MB wrote:
So in all your babbling, you’re saying you know 9…is that right Jeremy?
Glad to hear that since you’re the webmaster! You should know all of them.
As for the US reps…I don’t vote for all of them, so…
I know I missed one of the WGA BOD…oops…I’ll do better next time.mb
Am I the only WGA member who found this comment unwarranted and just plain rude? Come on, members, don’t be intimidated by one person. Let’s hear more of you stand up for civility and respect among members and in the forums. I know I am now the next target, but so be it.
Seriously Ken…lighten up! This thread was started on a whim of curiosity…your response is yet another in a long line that proves the points I have been making lately! If only I had the power to “intimidate” the rest of the membership. THAT would be great fun! If my asking Jeremy a question about his “babbling” seems uncivilized to you then I want to live in your bubble. It must be nice there. (Now THAT’s rude!) 😈 And by the way, do you or do you not know any of the BOD members or are you making a futile attempt to derail this thread?
Okay, at the risk of stirring any further…oh heck, I don’t care if I stir! Here goes…
First of all, I find it very hard to believe that there ACTUALLY IS a “New BoD Member Handbook,” and if there were, perhaps there should have been a meeting to ensure that all members received, read, and understood each page of it!
For goodness sakes, it’s a silly email address we’re talking about here! Someone called for help, someone from the BOD replied, and someone else from the BOD posted a note telling her she was wrong for offering the assistance. “That *was* a private email address…” Give me a break! How is that any different than anything that goes on in any other forum thread? The difference is that one of our fearless leaders said it, so the rest of us have to just sit back and take it. Well, not so much! I think it stinks! I personally think there should be a place where we can all reach the entire BOD “behind closed doors” if we have something to say to them as a whole. Not saying that anthing bad would happen, but why should we expect one BOD member to relay a note to the rest. Isn’t it said over and over again that things are lost in translation? Cut and paste, forward, paraphrase, whatever…why can’t a person just send the note to all BOD members at once?Now that the secret is out, why not just add another “private” address and be done with it?! I’m glad that greyhounder has taken on such an active role in the WGA…not just the BOD, but the WGA as a whole! I have seen more involvement from her than I have from most BOD members. This is a woman who holds a full-time job, is a volunteer BOD member, plans events, travels to events, and…unlike many others…is actually out there on the trails! ON A REGULAR BASIS!!! She’s representing me very well! Thanks Bec for not making me feel I wasted my vote!
bnb wrote:
“For me (speaking only for me, not the entire bod) gentle public prodding reminds me of what is of concern and important to the membership. Making it a controversy tends to make *me* (not the entire bod) want to ignore it until it settles down.”I’ve tried on many occasions to take this route, it rarely seemed to matter. We all know that this, and former BOD’s do things in their own time. Often taking much longer to move on some things than many of the general body feel necessary. Statements like these make me understand a bit more of why “their own time” is so slow (…sometimes!). Ignoring things until they settle down is…(censored)
bnb wrote:
“Back to the subject, as Jeremy stated, please send us your concern/issue. If there is a bod that you know personally, you could send your email to that person and perhaps speak more comfortably. They could then paraphrase and pass on your concern.”This is one of the things I was talking about. One BOD member reads something, they take from it what they deem important and relay that to the rest of the BOD. They paraphrase…was something lost in the translation? Was something taken out of context in the paraphrase? Was there a point that was missed by that one person, that someone else may have seen? Was the original concern actually passed on? Why paraphrase? Why not just let everyone see the original note and let everyone reply?
As well as the obvious thanks to those involved in planning and aiding in the successful execution of the picnic, I’d like to send a personal note of thanks to the Team Badger Members who posed for that “Special” photo on Bec’s camera! (Not to mention Bec, for posting it for all to see!)
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