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@gotta run wrote:
@rogheff wrote:
….or list it as a non-Groundspeak cache and avoid all this silliness.
Since the WGA site is only quick-linked to GC…and since all the help, info, and other stuff here relates to GC…does it really pay to keep pimping other sites out there that have nothing to do with GC?
YOUR OPINION, NOT MINE!!!
Let’s say I place a box in the woods, put a notebook, a pencil and throw in some McToys for tradiing in the box. Then I record the coordinates on my GPSr. I find a webiste that lists the coordinates of such objects, and post it.
WHAT HAVE I JUST CREATED?!?!?!?
In another thread in these forums, several members of the WGA Board made some statements that GC.com is the main (and in some opinions, the only) geocaching website that counts. That same thread is the conduit for voicing opinions on “the WGA rules for hiding a cache”.
It was clearly evident that some of the elected leadership of the WGA feels that the rules set forth by Groundspeak are clearly the best and only rules that should be followed by the WGA .
Groundspeak does not allow the placement, listing, (and therefore) the logging of temporary caches. Why does the WGA feel the need to place these caches that violate “The Golden Rules” set forth by the great and exalted King Groundspeak at WGA sanctioned Events?
If the WGA truly follows the rules as set forth by Groundspeak, these temporary caches which cause so many arguments, wouldn’t be placed in the first place.
….or list it as a non-Groundspeak cache and avoid all this silliness.
Sorry, couldn’t help myself.
@Que232 wrote:
This is an logo my daughter made. I’ll see if I can talk her into doing another one without the GC trademark.
[/url]Wisconsin Geocachingdotcom Association?
um………cause I don’t. No particular reason, I just don’t. I also don’t use the GONIL, MNGA or any other logos.
Why not cross post the events on sites other than Groundspeak and post the temps where they’re allowed. You want to log the temps – go right ahead.
That photo would satisfy the requirements of a locationless Terracache I looked at the other day.
Sorry for my absence, I was on a Spring Break Camping trip to Mammoth Cave (a trip I highly recommend BTW). Interestingly somehow related to this discussion, I spent a lot of time Terracaching while I was there. First time I went on a long trip and didn’t seek any Groundspeak caches.
I like the simple point that Buy_the_tie made about posting the links to the geocaching websites and the statement that each has it’s own set of rules.
The buried cache idea, to clarify, would have to be on the hider’s own property or would have to have specific permission. As a Shrubber, I know full well the problems that can occur with buried power, phone and cable lines. Digger’s Hotline would have to be called to provide me proof of a safe digging radius before I would ever stick a shovel in the ground. I just think it would be fun.
The 528′ rule that Groundspeak uses, was great back in 2000 when there was only a handful of caches snagging the prime hiding spots. Let’s face it, once the 20 really interesting spots in my area have a cache, we’re done placing caches if that’s the only reason to place a one. I’ve had my hand slapped multiple times because I was 480′, or 510′, or 435′ from another cache. Even if you’re looking for Rogheff caches, 435′ is plenty of room. If there’s an obvious physical barrier (a uncrossable river, a marina, a highway, etc) why can’t they be closer?
Big, lumbering multi caches and incredibly difficult puzzle caches create another problem. I have personally had to struggle for hours to solve a puzzle cache (that I really didn’t want to HAVE to hunt) in order to place a cache of my own. I also have had to find (via the force and a bunch of dumb luck and much searching) a puzzle cache that I couldn’t solve in order to place a cache. Trudging along to find every point of a huge multi just to locate each leg of a cache (again, that I didn’t want to hunt) is silly.
I can hear the replies, “Rogheff, you don’t HAVE to place a cache here, place it somewhere else.” When I find the perfect hiding spot that fits my cache, this becomes a necessary task. With very few exceptions, I’m always 350’+away from those locations with my hide.
I’ve got to admit, that I’m getting a bit depressed here guys. You’re really beating up on me 😥 Seriously, I do feel as though I may have misjudged this website. I had no idea that so many cachers feel so much differently than myself (so dead set against anything other than Groundspeak). I merely view other websites as additional opportunities – not necessarily as competing alternatives.
I like Navicache and I also like Terracaching (and I still like Groundspeak) but I like them all for different reasons. None of those reasons revolve around circumventing any Groundspeak rules (jeese, I don’t think so anyway – perhaps a little introspection is needed here). I also honestly dislike each for different reasons.
Hey Zuma, if you really want some ammo on my find count, I only have 3 on Terracaching. Now if you fine folks would go hid some nearby, I’d have some more 😆
You can’t go by the volume of caches that Rogheff has found. I’ve also only found 17 Groundspeak caches in the past 4 months. 😳
I’m not the only Wisconsin Cacher playing on the other websites though
From the WGA Homepage:
Welcome to the Wisconsin Geocaching Association Website
The Wisconsin Geocaching Association (WGA) is a group of geocachers dedicated to promoting and protecting geocaching within the state of Wisconsin. The WGA organizes geocaching events, works with land owners/managers on geocaching policies, educates the public at large about geocaching, and facilitates communication between WGA members.
I read the words on the welcome page and in the bylaws and see no such affiliation with Groundspeak. I see a welcome to all geocachers to come and discuss all things geocaching.
If I want a Groundspeak discussion regarding groundspeak’s caches listed in Wisconsin, I can go to Groundspeak’s Midwest forum.
I’m here because I want to talk about caching (in general) in Wisconsin.
Have I misunderstood the purpose of the WGA all these years?
If I were to archive all my Groundspeak caches and stop seeking caches on GC.com, am I no longer welcome here?I keep the geotokens I find, I kept (and used) a new collar for my geopooch, the rest just goes into another cache.
@greyhounder wrote:
Please know that I have no problems with any of the other GPS activities — I think anything that gets you outside and active is a good thing.
But do remember that this is the Wisconsin GEOCACHING Association, not the Wisconsin GPS ACTIVITY Association. This website is devoted to those who use the gc.com guidelines at this time.
That’s not to say that we couldn’t ever expand our horizons into other GPS activities, we just wouldn’t be the Wisconsin Geocaching Association anymore.
I really, really hope some of the other sites are not putting caches near railroad tracks. Not only is it a safety issue, it is also tresspassing.
Bec
😡 This is where I have a major, major problem! Show me where in the WGA bylaws it states that this website is devoted and anchored to GC.com! It isn’t written anywhere! This is the Wisconsin Geocaching Association and not the Wisconsin Geocachingdotcom Association.
I’m not talking about geocaching-like activities, such as those shown on gpsgames.org I’m talking about other geocaching websites such as terracaching.com and navicache.com The only reason they’re not called geocaching.com is because the website name was already taken. But the activity associated with these websites is geocaching.
Who says that all people who use the WGA site are strictly folks who play on GC.com? I’m proof that cachers play on more than one site. I am currently getting nearly as much traffic on my caches listed elsewhere as I do on my GC.com listed caches.
To clarify an earlier comment, when I referred to the railroad track issue, I realize that under the vast majority of cases, this isn’t a good idea. But there can be exceptions and I’ll give you one. At the Kenosha Metra Train station, there’s a really neat tile mosaic on the wall of the pathway leading to the train boarding area (an area open to the public). This picture is under the tracks and couldn’t possibly be mistaken for going up by the trains. What an interesting subject for a Virtual Cache.
Most of the GC.com regulations are perfectly good and I follow many of them when placing geocaches listed elsewhere. But…I don’t feel it’s the WGA’s place to tell Wisconsin cachers that those are the ONLY rules that apply to geocaching in Wisconsin.
The prospect of commercial caching shouldn’t be dismissed so quickly either. How many people attended that Informercial Event that Garmin hosted last month? If a gas station placed a commercial cache and offered you a $10 gas card to go find it, you wouldn’t look?
I know that the vast majority of cachers play on one website. That’s because that same vast majority don’t know that other websites exist.
Everytime I bring up the subject of GC.com alternatives, I get similar responses to those listed in this thread. As much as some folks may not like it, new Virtual, Locationless, Temporary, Vacation, Traveling and Moving Geocaches exist – in Wisconsin. More are created every week.
This is exactly why I have come to love micro, locationless and virtual caches. I don’t expect to find anything so I’m never disappointed.
I like to place a lot of caches, because people like to find them. I don’t place a bunch of caches to keep the world supplied with Happy Meal Toys! Any amount of the good swag that is used to stock a cache is quickly replaced by rocks, pine cones, rusty bottle caps and other crap that has no place in a cache container.
Oh boy, jump in and close eyes.
Is there a GPSr that can plug in to your cigarette lighter? That would seem to be a really nice option to have that would eliminate the whole battery issue.
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