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Just what we need, some more puzzle caches with 2.5 D/T that have twelve waypoints and take over four hours to do on a bike. Be nice to keep them mostly up north in Brown County though, we have a new quota in the kingdom.
I like the first four points. As far as the “amateur” division under 1000 cache finds, I guess I could live with seldom|seen being in that bracket…
It seems the geographical division would be cumbersome. Some will find or take the time to travel to lonely caches and compete. I think there will be some new players and some new contenders to make the game interesting to watch or play.
I’d still like to see some additional point incentive for those “most lonely” caches that haven’t been visited for long periods. Earlier I suggested maybe even after three seasons or nine months, perhaps then again at fifteen months. Something that would help to get checks on the caches that are most elusive, or not found for other reasons.
Look forward to what changes find the most support and how the project takes shape for the new year. Thanks again!
Congrats, Anne, for the 1K!, and the hard-earned and memorable milestone find. Good to meet both you and Jeremy!
Congrats, Gary! Bring some California sunshine home for us!
Well done! Are we surprised at all?! Congrats on a noteworthy FTF!!
12/09/2008 at 8:28 am in reply to: Rsplash40 Off the drag strip, now drives slow, turns Left!!! #1898777Way to go big guy! A very suitable day to hit the 1K and also long-awaited. Congrats, Mike!
Big Congrats on the long-awaited 1K, Lisa! The adventure you had doing a couple 5/5s in one day, and the trek you had are surely memorable. Well done!
Hmmm…
The coal gift department appears to be managed by another contributor to this thread.
Hawaii: That’s on my Wish List, big time, but my family does like to fly and I hope to get there with them – might not be till after retirement though. 😥 I have to believe there are some others who would love to make that trip sooner, either for the EC or the life birds. Eat my heart out.
ThePharmGirl wrote:
Hey wait a minute… the “help” in my mailbox was something I had already figured out. Sneaky Santagasu. I guess he gave me the satisfaction of knowing I was right.
The mail must travel slow. The help there was the first reply before a separate e-mail from ThePharmGirl detailed significant progress and applications of the key far into the solve. Confirmed that one of those applications should get the solve, but see only a couple attempts and no new correct solve on the geochecker stats page thus far this morning. Still trying to keep from taking the fun out of it with any more, but, after the time apparently spent, could be convinced to be even more specific.
Jeremy wrote:
I only want one thing for Christmas this year. My mind back. It has been preoccupied with solving a certain sinister, scary, sneaky and strenuous (SSSS) puzzle cache as of late. I can’t concentrate on anything without drifting off into a weird fantasy land land of keys and numbers and mathematical formulas. When I try to sleep I’m haunted by nightmares of getting INCORRECT in Geochecker over and over and over again.
I’ve been a good boy this year and must be on the nice list. I kept my room clean and ate most of my vegetables. I didn’t get into any fights and listened to my mom.
Hopeful that a full cure is imminent. ThePharmGirl must be very close to getting that ticket out of the weird fantasy land and on the sinister trail to success!
Agreed. However frozen it gets around typical waterways, things seem to be different in the cattails and muck. I managed to go through the ice a dozen times when I placed the cache a couple days before Christmas last year. Rotten smelly marshmuck tends to create a lot of methane that makes ice unpredictable, and when you go through and get sucked under the ice, well, that can be tougher than not seeing where you are going…. The terrain out there is a mixed bag with each season having its own unique challenges. Merry Christmas to all… Let’s see some other letters to Santa.
ZB, that won’t cost you as much if you just become a premium member. lol.
I’ll try to play Santa again and see what I can get to you via e-mail, or if that doesn’t work perhaps mail you a hard copy. I just can’t resist having the audit log on this one – sixteen views today so far. Watching the watchers has been one of the most fun things about this cache. Merry Christmas. And all I want is a moratorium on sudokus for the new year.
Got an alert from one of Santa’s helpers… Placed thirty-one and were good as well? Except for that snake thing. Well, I do have one serving as a guide at one of our own caches. Sounds like a fine report card. Checked your profile and see you are halfway dressed for the occasion – might need a warmer shirt though. You will find something to help you on your way in your mailbox. Hope you can have a Merry if Chilly Christmas!
S.S.S.S.Santagasu
Great race for November, and congrats to all the contenders! I was betting on JimandLinda early on, but even I was surprised by the outcome for the month. Should have known better. Congrats to both Jim and Alex for the amazing photo finish and live entertainment.
As I watched the race from closer to home I thought wistfully about the open door for December, but now that it’s here…. yikes, it’s snowing again tonight.
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Just to clarify my suggestion on trackables, I agree that there is sometimes lack of clarity on the status of a trackable, like whether the trackable is really lonely if a prior player actually put it in a cache. The suggestion is to simplify the scoring and remove any incentive for taking advantage of points in those circumstances. The main thrust of the comment is that, as someone who has quite a few trackables all over the world, I like seeing them move and would be disappointed if someone finding a cache that hadn’t been visited for six months left one of my bugs or coins in that cache. I remember finding one up on the Michigan border that had been there for longer than that and the owner was very happy to see it move on as he was planning a special trip to that remote cache just to rescue the bug.
It’s evident there is a lot of interest in the LCG from all the suggestions and comments. The game has apparently drawn some geoacachers into the WGA and stimulated considerable curiosity about caches that have become “lonely” for one reason or another. For the most part, one of the most important outcomes of the game, to verify that lonely caches are acutually there to find, seems to be happening.
The game has drawn me to more new interesting locations and caches than any other aspect of the game thus far. Some have been the most remote and scenic of any caches I have found. For this broadening of my experience I am grateful, and hope others can benefit as much by chasing these finds. In addition, I have always been curious how or why a cache has become “lonely” and most often seeking and finding them (or not) has answered that question.
While I have been one of those “crazed” individuals feeding my addiction with this special group of caches much of the past year, things have already changed, as all of our games evolve, and the time and other priorities will keep me from being as visible with the game this coming year. Like T&B, I will be seeking lonely caches as part of other caching ventures, instead of planning routes exclusively around them. Nonetheless, I will be watching the game as intently, as there are certainly some diverse styles and personalities involved as with the WGA and geocachers, in general, like in the real world.
I appreciate all that Dave/Team Deejay has done to add this dimension to our caching games, and, in reply to his request for input, offer a few thoughts in agreement with some suggested by others, and perhaps a couple new ones, including:
1. In response to Dave’s disappointment that some of the “very lonely” caches still haven’t gotten a look, without complicating the game too much, perhaps those should get triple points as a big incentive for those who are driven by the “bragging rights” or competition. Double points might apply well to caches that have been lonely for three seasons, or nine months.
2. I agree that the prizes are not a big deal, but some recognition, either monthly or bi-monthly would be suitable, even if it simply puts contenders in a pool for some end-of-year prize or event. Some promising ideas have been offered on this already.
3. I agree with fully incorporating the cache rescue program. It’s good CITO/P.R. to do so. Ten points plus difficulty and terrain for making a trip out to do this when you don’t even log a find for the effort.
4. I don’t have an answer to the complexity of the scoring, and a couple of my thoughts already propose some new wrinkles, but I think the super-lonely incentive and the cache rescue points would be worth pursuing. The logistics of regional competitions seems prohibitive to add that much complexity. There have been groups of lonely caches in all the quadrants of the state at some point during the year. Mark your calendars for March or May after the northern half of the state has been idle for the winter.
5. Make maintenance part of a find and take away the separate points like T&B and seldom|seen suggest. We should do that whenever we see the need at any cache, and try to be prepared to do what it takes to keep all caches in good shape. I do regular maintenance and upgrades on all my own caches, but not all owners revisit their own caches as often. It still drives me crazy when I see a log calling for disabling a cache when a log is full.
6. Require owner permission on replacement like a couple have suggested. As the year wore on I came to recognize situations where some caches should die and open up an area for a hide that will be maintained.
7. Only one DNF should be allowed on a cache for any player. I think deducting the DNF points from that cachers subsequent find, whether in the same month, period or whatever, seems too complicated. Keep it simple. One DNF on a cache for points. One find.
8. Eliminate subsequent confirms on a cache in any period unless there has been a DNF since the last confirm. Yes, I said that. This is kind of how the rule is now, though that would extend it into subsequent periods. I think the confirm points are valuable as caches do disappear for a variety of reasons. I was surprised how many I revisited had done so though there had been no finds (or even attempts to my knowledge) for many months.
9. Trackable points. No one seems to have commented on this one. I think those should be folded into the find like maintenance points, another way to simplify the game. What trackable owner wouldn’t expect you to move his or her travel bug or geocoin along if it had been sitting in any cache, especially a remote one, for four months or more?
10. Perhaps not part of the scoring, but maybe part of end-of-year recognition would be a nod to those who found the most caches that were found by nobody else during the year, or found by only one other cacher during the year on some kind of golf point system. That’s real bragging rights. Not Fantasy Football either. Sorry, Pete!
Above all, have fun. Lonely caches are a special challenge, and the reward is taking the time to go out of the way for some when you can.
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