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Originally posted by CacheCows:
hey Thrax!Now, if I found out that Jeremy was making gobs of cash already off the site without implementing the pay option, I would feel different, but I am guessing that he isn’t.
I don’t know… if $3/month is all I have to pay for the fun I’m having, and even then paying is an option, I guess I couldn’t care less if Jeremy became a millionare from it.
Don’t get me wrong… J-Man has every right to make any and all money he can off his site. In my post that you quoted, I was simply trying to say (using as few words as possible), that if he was already getting rich selling t-shirts, bumper stickers, and keychains, I would feel differently about paying 30 bucks a year for the site… simply because, as I think it was Ken who states in a later post, I cringe also when free things start to cost, and then cost more, etc. But clearly this is a case of J-man needing the cover the bills, and maybe cut a nice profit after that. And I hope he does make some nice coin I have ZERO problem at all with his pay option. Even if I think the term “mocache” is really lame, and sounds an awful lot like “procache”
*Sigh* Need more coffee, I think I just started to babble.
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Originally posted by CacheCows:
Subscription only caches will allow you to audit your cache to see who looked at your cache page and when.
Now THAT is pretty neat
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Originally posted by kbraband:
It’s late and I’m tired, but right now my feeling is: to heck with the pay-more area. Maybe all of us in Wisconsin can boycott and promise to post all our caches in the “free” area.I dunno. Maybe I’ll feel differently tomorrow.
I dunno… I just checked it out. It has always been free, but I can understand why he is doing it. Running a high traffic website gets EXPENSIVE!
Now, if I found out that Jeremy was making gobs of cash already off the site without implementing the pay option, I would feel different, but I am guessing that he isn’t.
I will probably join tonight, purely because I never actually purchased anything off the website that would have generated any cash flow for him, nor have I sent any donations.
OK…You all saw it here first…. I just got ripped off big time!!!! Oh boy… any lawyers out there?
Anyhow, probably a good thing for Jeremy to do, he obviously needs to generate some cash for the site, it must cost him a pretty penny to run, not to mention the time involved. I will have to check out the details. I wonder how it will go over though. Seems to me that if just anyone wants, they can pay 3 bucks and have access to the caches for a month, even if they never hunted one before, so I don’t know that it is a viable method of “cache protection”, as we were discussing before.
That IS quite impressive, but it is actually a standard manuever. When I was in the Navy, my captain loved to pull this one to impress the natives in smaller countries. You would not believe the amount of preparation involved!
Our ship was about 500 feet long, so it is a little trickier than just drifting a tug through. It worked best with half of a fuel load, because the day before the stunt we could transfer all fuel on board to storage tanks on one side of the ship, and with additional help from the ballast tanks on that same side, we would have a 7 or 8 degree list BEFORE we even made contact with the bridge. The electricians would take down all topside antennas to avoid damaging them (which also helped make this trick more convincing… we could pretend we didn’t have radio contact with the bridge controller!). Normally, when we would intentionally capsize the vessel, we would set water-tight integrity to the max level through-out the whole ship, but for this, we found it worked better if we let two or three of the upper decks flood out, which was kind of a bummer, because those were the berthing decks, and that usually meant soggy mattresses
Afer making contact with the bridge, the ship would start our controlled capsize, and by the time we were at about 75 degree list , the starboard shaft and propeller would be out of the water, and this was the fun part… I would have control of that down in the engine room. As soon as I had confirmation from a topside watch that the screw was out of the water, I would give it full throttle, splashing plenty of water to the shores, soaking befuddled on-lookers. It would also leave a really cool pattern of gouges on the bridge itself, kinda my little trademark
Each time we pulled this stunt, the US Navy would save about 50 bucks in draw-bridge fees.
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Originally posted by Yawningdog:
but I never came close to the instant death that people have been accusing me of dooming local cachers to. I did not place that cache to put anyone in danger and it is rated a 5 because that is what the rating system told me to make it
I need to relate a story about some caches that were carelessly placed that could have ended MY life, and quite abruptly at that. Seems to me that people think it is really funny to place caches great distances from my house, requiring me to actually DRIVE ON THE HIGHWAYS to reach them. I remember one saturday afternoon, I hopped into my trusty pick-up truck to travel to a cache that somebody carelessly placed over 50 MILES from where I live. No way I could hoof this one out, so I had to drive… very little choice. Anyhow, about halfway there, ANOTHER vehicle did a rolling stop at an intersection, and elected to pull out in front of me, putting my life and her own life in danger. Luckily, I saved both our lives by stepping hard on the brakes. I then sounded an audible alert by applying pressure to the center of my steering wheel, and signalled her with the appropriate sign language to inform her of her near-deadly error.
Anyhow, for safety’s sake, everyone, please make sure you place all caches within a one mile radius of my residence in Janesville, Wisconsin. The highways can be instant death, you know, and I am offended at the number of times you all have tried killing me by placing them at such horrendous distances from where I live!
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Originally posted by sbukosky:
I think a little too much importance can be place on first finds. I had my fill of that while hidden transmitter hunting. Or like what orienteering has become from what it was taught to me back in my Scouting days. I’d hate to see Geocaching become a foot race and a knock-down drag-out fight to be first.
Actually, you kind of hinted at my next idea… “Full Contact Caching”. Participants will wear standard Hockey or Football gear…
Seriously, Geocahing can be an enjoyable passtime at so many levels. The most basic and most popular is probably just the hike/hunt. Next, I know I am not the only one who gets a kick out of being the first to a cache, although I rarely knock myself out to BE the first. But I will tell you this… I have discovered something very very neat… If you go to hunt a cache on the first day or so that it is posted, you stand a good chance of meeting a fellow cacher at the cache! I have only logged 45 finds so far, but I have actually met other cachers on 4 of those hunts, and of those 4 hunts, three were hunts that I embarked on shortly after the thing was posted. Simply put… Finding a cache first is kinda neat, running into another cacher on the hunt is 20 times better And that is part of what I tried to accomplish in my hastily-thrown together concept, along with protection for the special caches… a little competition, and a lot of socializing.
5 bucks says that on the first day Alan’s 110 dollar cache is posted, at least two cachers or teams will run into each other on the hunt
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Originally posted by kbraband:
I don’t have a problem with the concept as long as it’s done in a way that doesn’t exclude “public” cachers. Of course, anyone is free to invite his or her buddies to a private unpublicized cache.
I had actually covered that in my origianal post kind of… I said that a short time after “opening day”, after the valuable cache has essentially become a standard cache, it could be posted as a normal cache for all to hunt.
I don’t really view this as elitism, although I can see how it *could* be viewed that way. I see it simply as a way to temporarily protect “high-value” caches for a short period of time from the few who are less than honorable in their intentions, and to add a new, fun element to the pass-time.
It is a major bummer when somebody like YD has a great cache like Collectables Cache, sacrificing many valuable items, only to have it plundered. For me, most of the fun is the drive, hike and hunt. Trading prizes adds to the fun, but all I really need to find is a log-book, and I am happy. But I’d be lying is I said I would have zero interest in finding something of value from time to time, and I bet most people would agree. Last summer, I had an Idea to place “Silver Cache”… a cache stocked with a few hundred dollars worth of silver boullion, in varying sizes, with instructions for the first finder to grab the big bar, the next 3 or for to each grab the next largest, etc. Of course, I definatly did not place such a cache because the plunder of YD’s cache came to mind over and over again.
The idea of those who can’t officially register to tag along with registered “procachers” is a fine one. It could actually be posted that “Tag-alongs” can contact anyone who IS registered and join the hunt with them… and after a couple hunts like that, there would be no reason they COULDN’T register, as the whole idea is just to make sure the person(s) is real, and is likely to play by the rules, etc.
Maybe nobody will like this idea… BUT… here goes…
Ceate a website called http://www.progeocaching.com
Membership to this site would have fairly strict requirements (Possibilities would include finding at least 25 caches from geocaching.com, prior attendance at some geocaching event or gathering, anything that shows a potential member is a bona-fide geocacher, and not just some dirtbag out to ruin people’s fun or raid valuable caches).
This site would be for posting caches with higher than normal value, like YDs Collecable Cache. (Heck, didn’t cachecow’s You Are What You Eat cache contain over 100 bucks worth of fast food certificates?)
We could rest a little easier knowing that only experienced and well-intentioned cachers have access to these caches… and we could change the rules a bit in the process… For exapmle: in addition to the standard Hide-then post-then let’er rip cache, “event” cache launches could be introduced. I envision this as a cache that is pre-announced… say two weeks in advance, or whatever. Anyone who plans on hunting that cache on “opening day” would pre-register… then at say 8am in the morning on that cache’s opening day… the co-ordinates are released to the participants… and they can all head out at about the same time to find it End result would be that a) valuables would not remain in the cache long b)excellent chance of cachers meeting on the hunt and c) wel, I have no “c” at the moment. But anyhow many things could be done with this simple concept. With a little fancy coding, or human intervention, a handicapping feature could be implemented giving people who live farther from the cache the info an hour or two earlier. Some caches could be pay or “cash caches”, in which hunters could send in, say, 10 bucks at the time they register for a hunt, with the money to be DIRECTLY invested into the cache contents by the cache placer (I am not talking charge-for-profit here). Because of the elevated level of hunters hitting the cache within a few hours’ time, co-ordinates of a meeting place and time could also be included inside the cache. After “opening day”, the cache co-ordinates could be posted so that any member can hunt it as a normal cache (maybe a week later?)
Anyhow, those are just a few ideas off the top of my head for http://www.progeocaching.com… anybody think the idea has any merit?
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